[Zipperfish]

ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

I'm not skirting the issue--I'm saying I don't really know enough about the history of the Democratic or Republican parties to comment

Now you dont know enough, but before you knew enough to comment on republicans saving blacks from obama!

Your just full of it!

I'm still trying to understand why you accuse me of "playing the race card" when you brought it up first. Nobody said anything about Obama being black on this thread until YOU brought it up. Clearly it's an issue for you. Your lame attempts to project your latent racism on me aren't working, troglodyte.

As for the rest of it, I don't expect any kind of intelligent response since you've time and again shown yourself unable to rise up mere partisnaship in any debate--you just parrot whatever orthodoxy your side holds, so you're really not very interesting to talk to. Hint: Try to come up wiht an independent thought.

[kenmore]

spikereli spikereli:

im sorry the real president doesnt belive in gobd,,, lol jebus,, and should look towards the stars.....

mind explaining what the hell this is supposed to mean?

[kenmore]

sounds like a desperate man to me... he was a member of this church for 25 yrs? and now that he wants to be in the white house he quits.... guess thats what he means by change lol

[ManifestDestiny]

CommanderSock CommanderSock:

It doesn't require a Masters degree to figure out from your posts you dislike Obama, not just for his policies, but for who he is, what he is, and who he's affiliated with. You're not the only one.

Your right I dont like Obama for who he is (marxist liberal),what he his (Marxist liberal ), and for who he is afilliated with (racist black people) (and more liberals)
So you are right I dont like him, Just like i dont like Clinton , kerry, Gore and they are white! and all of the above liberal democracts most of who are white, who want to take my hard earned money and redistribute it to lazy people, while the liberal eliteist sit in their mansions. yeah your right

[kenmore]

ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:

CommanderSock CommanderSock:

It doesn't require a Masters degree to figure out from your posts you dislike Obama, not just for his policies, but for who he is, what he is, and who he's affiliated with. You're not the only one.

Your right I dont like Obama for who he is (marxist liberal),what he his (Marxist liberal ), and for who he is afilliated with (racist black people) (and more liberals)
So you are right I dont like him, Just like i dont like Clinton , kerry, Gore and they are white! and all of the above liberal democracts most of who are white, who want to take my hard earned money and redistribute it to lazy people, while the liberal eliteist sit in their mansions. yeah your right

so then one would conduce from the above that you support the racist, conservative fanatical right wing,fundamentalist agenda of the republican party.... ?

[ManifestDestiny]

kenmore kenmore:

ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny:

CommanderSock CommanderSock:

It doesn't require a Masters degree to figure out from your posts you dislike Obama, not just for his policies, but for who he is, what he is, and who he's affiliated with. You're not the only one.

Your right I dont like Obama for who he is (marxist liberal),what he his (Marxist liberal ), and for who he is afilliated with (racist black people) (and more liberals)
So you are right I dont like him, Just like i dont like Clinton , kerry, Gore and they are white! and all of the above liberal democracts most of who are white, who want to take my hard earned money and redistribute it to lazy people, while the liberal eliteist sit in their mansions. yeah your right

so then one would conduce from the above that you support the racist, conservative fanatical right wing,fundamentalist agenda of the republican party.... ?

Coming from you thats a compliment

[CanAm1]

Obama is Black? Really, I think I will not vote for him because...1) He has no experience whatsoever. 2) He is an American hating person that is hiding it until after he gets elected. 3) He's the most Liberal of all the Senate voted on by all the senators themselves for his first and second term as a Senator. And Yes I will not hide my bias, I don't like Democrats or their ideas, nor do I like there platform of taxation and taking away from the rich to give everything to the government. I am not rich but I am employed by a rich person who owns our company, and in times of cutbacks he will find the first level of cuts will be the employees themselves. Economics state that if your company is losing money the first place to cut back is in employee costs.
They like big government interference and I don't, they like to tax us after we are dead instead of letting us pass that money on to our families. It has already been taxed once why let the greedy government do it again?
Obama is black...so what! If it were JC Watts running as a republican I would vote for him in a second. I hate the choices this time because it is a choice between the least Liberal of the 3 candidates. McCain would never get my vote if a real Conservative were running.
Clinton will steal this race from Obama anyway, mark my words. The Clintons are the most devious people in politics and will do anything to win. Obama would be a terrible president he's not even the best Democrat running. He's all talk and is smart but would be a terrible leader for this nation.

[CanAm1]

Kenmore the Republicans gave us Emancipation Proclimation, under Lincoln. The Republicans gave Johnson the votes he needed to get it passed when most Southern Democratic senators and congressmen at the time voted against it.
The Democrats have destroyed the Black race in alot of ways. Welfare has killed alot of their pride and spirit as it has killed alot of white spirit too. The Liberals brought us welfare. Help the poor certainly, but give them a way to not have to work to earn money and they sit around collecting a check, and get lazy. I've seen lazy Canadians doing that too.
Now if they have no way to get out to get work or there is truly no jobs to be had in the area then certainly have them taken care of and make sure that we find a way to move them to areas that have jobs or bring industry there to help out. That is, if, you can entice industry into a depressed area in the first place. For 40 years the Democrats have controlled New Orleans and it has been and remains one of the most depressed black poplations in the US. No Republican responsibility there at all.
The Republicans have done alot for the poor, but that doesn't fit into the media's agenda of getting Democrats elected, so the story never gets told. This is a mess that won't get fixed overnight by either the Republicans nor the Democrats. But we certainly have a split country here and that will be a problem. I for one will hate seeing a Democrat get elected but if they do oh well I will have to live the best I can and hope for the best.

[Zipperfish]

CanAm1 CanAm1:

They like big government interference and I don't...

Big government interference? How about a war that has cost thousands of Amercian lives and almost a trillion dollars of tax-payers money? How about a whole swath of laws, such as the Patriot Act, that have limited the freedom of the American people? How about a debt amassed by the Republicans that will cripple future generations? How about barnd-new huge bureacracies like Homeland Security? How about a governmetn that decides that arbitrary detention, illegal searches and torture are great dieas?

Government doesn't get much bigger than George W. Bush.

[CanAm1]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

CanAm1 CanAm1:

They like big government interference and I don't...

Big government interference? How about a war that has cost thousands of Amercian lives and almost a trillion dollars of tax-payers money? How about a whole swath of laws, such as the Patriot Act, that have limited the freedom of the American people? How about a debt amassed by the Republicans that will cripple future generations? How about barnd-new huge bureacracies like Homeland Security? How about a governmetn that decides that arbitrary detention, illegal searches and torture are great dieas?

Government doesn't get much bigger than George W. Bush.

I will definetly concede the spending habits, they are as bad as any Democrat in fact they are worse. I really dislike Bush for being a drunken sailor on spending.
I am one that thinks we need to fight this war on terror or we will lose millions in the future instead of thousands. What would have happened if we had stood up to Hitler before he got everything amassed. We can only assume but it may have saved thousands of lives in soldiers and in civilians too.
Homeland Security while cumbersome is nessecary and needs to be revised to be effective. As for the detentions, searches and torture, well we are at war. It is a nessecary evil. Civil liberties are one of the first casualties when you are at war. I am one American that is willing to accept the process needed to protect my future children and the lives of all Americans.
While I disagree with Iraq as the proper battlefield I do think the move has been genius and has caused all the terrorists to concentrate their efforts there instead of here. I think we are hearing their last hurrah and if I had been president we would have bombed Iran with a tactical nuke the minute I proved they had been assisting the terrorists inside Iraq.
I like your posts they are well thought out. But I gotta disagree with you on this part.

[Scape]

Or the debt.

[CanAm1]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

CanAm1 CanAm1:

They like big government interference and I don't...

Big government interference? How about a war that has cost thousands of Amercian lives and almost a trillion dollars of tax-payers money? How about a whole swath of laws, such as the Patriot Act, that have limited the freedom of the American people? How about a debt amassed by the Republicans that will cripple future generations? How about barnd-new huge bureacracies like Homeland Security? How about a governmetn that decides that arbitrary detention, illegal searches and torture are great dieas?

Government doesn't get much bigger than George W. Bush.

Oh by the way Clinton had something similar to the Patriot Act and no one said anything about it. And it had far less scrutiny than the current one. This one was also approved by the congress and senate before it passed and was debated for a few hours and passed without much questioning from the Democrats. Then when they knew they could score political points they decided to be on the side of the Terrorists and say they never knew of it. Well they were proven to be liars as they all had emails memos and a complete document handed to them weeks before it was debated and passed in the senate and congress. Hmmm.
I think the Patriot act is only scary to someone that has something to hide. It is intended to catch the people we are afraid to profile. Why we are afraid to profile I have no flippin idea. If your Middle Eastern your probably the most probable to be a terrorist. Just like Canada and the US thought of Japanese Americans and Japanese Canadians during WWII.

[commanderkai]

CommanderSock CommanderSock:

$1:

AND can you tell me what the Democrats have done in the past 50 YEARS for the blacks?

Mind you 90 to 95 % of blacks vote democratic!

Heh, this one is easy, the democratic party, under the leadership of president Lyndon B Johnson passed the Civil Rights act that effectively outlawed racial segregation at the federal level, and forced most states to comply. De Facto causing them to loose the southern white vote for a generation and winning them the black vote.

And Nixon created affirmative action. Shouldn't that turn back the tide? Of course not.

And it was not JUST the Democratic party that outlawed racial segregation, it had excessive help from the Republican Party, thus being bipartisan. Of course ignore that, because somehow it makes the Democrats look like the great party of civil rights, which historically it has not been.