[Zipperfish]

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Nowadays, especially considering how difficult in the first place it even is to catch rapists (sorry, "aggrevated sexual assailants") without DNA evidence, I find those who are found guilty should have significant evidence against them.

Those found not guilty before they are killed should receive significant amounts of compensation. If found non-guilty after, the family and estate should receive compensation.

If found not guilty after the governor should hang for premeditated homicide. Then I might be OK with it.

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[andyt]

Well, that leaves the governor off the hook, since there's never been a case of somebody being found not guilty after they were executed. The innocence project saves it's resources finding reasonable doubt before people are executed.

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andyt andyt:

Thank God you don't practice law here. Forensic science is very inexact. Even if semen is present all it can tell you is they had sex. Can't tell you if it was consensual or not. Sexual assault is one of the most fraught areas of investigation. Many rapes occur without signs of violence. I shudder for the criminal justice system in the Ukraine.

It's impossible to make rape without signs, if cops say that rape was made without it, it means that they are just like you.

[andyt]

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andyt andyt:

Thank God you don't practice law here. Forensic science is very inexact. Even if semen is present all it can tell you is they had sex. Can't tell you if it was consensual or not. Sexual assault is one of the most fraught areas of investigation. Many rapes occur without signs of violence. I shudder for the criminal justice system in the Ukraine.

It's impossible to make rape without signs, if cops say that rape was made without it, it means that they are just like you.

Wow, you seem to be heading into "women don't get pregnant if they were legitimately raped" territory. What sign is there if a man holds a gun to a woman's head and forces her to have sex?

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andyt andyt:

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andyt andyt:

Thank God you don't practice law here. Forensic science is very inexact. Even if semen is present all it can tell you is they had sex. Can't tell you if it was consensual or not. Sexual assault is one of the most fraught areas of investigation. Many rapes occur without signs of violence. I shudder for the criminal justice system in the Ukraine.

It's impossible to make rape without signs, if cops say that rape was made without it, it means that they are just like you.

Wow, you seem to be heading into "women don't get pregnant if they were legitimately raped" territory. What sign is there if a man holds a gun to a woman's head and forces her to have sex?

1) His epithelium on her skin and clothes
2) Parts of his drool while breathing on her
3) Strain of skin in vagina
4) Sperm including prostate juice on her, inside of condom, on the floor, on skin, on bed at nearest stuff. Sometimes in mouth, ass hole. Often cops even look in trash boxes for a fresh condom.
5) Sign from gun on forehead, signs of gun oil on her skin and clothes.
6) Psycho-emotional conditions - even the oscar actress can't play it as it is necessary.
7) Even little signs of asfixia and tears on face can play a role.

[BartSimpson]

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Stephanie Neiman was proud of her shiny new Chevy truck with the Tasmanian Devil sticker on it and a matching "Tazz" license plate.

Her parents had taught the teenager to stand up for "what was her right and for what she believed in."

Neiman was dropping off a friend at a Perry residence on June 3, 1999, the same evening Clayton Lockett and two accomplices decided to pull a home invasion robbery there. Neiman fought Lockett when he tried to take the keys to her truck.

The men beat her and used duct tape to bind her hands and cover her mouth. Even after being kidnapped and driven to a dusty country road, Neiman didn't back down when Lockett asked if she planned to contact police.

The men had also beaten and kidnapped Neiman's friend along with Bobby Bornt, who lived in the residence, and Bornt's 9-month-old baby.

"Right is right and wrong is wrong. Maybe that's what Clayton was so scared of, because Stephanie did stand up for her rights," her parents later wrote to jurors in an impact statement. "She did not blink an eye at him. We raised her to work hard for what she got."

Steve and Susie Neiman asked jurors to give Lockett the death penalty for taking the life of their only child, who had graduated from Perry High School two weeks before her death.

Tuesday, 15 years later, the state plans to carry out that penalty.

Lockett later told police "he decided to kill Stephanie because she would not agree to keep quiet," court records state.

Neiman was forced to watch as Lockett's accomplice, Shawn Mathis, spent 20 minutes digging a shallow grave in a ditch beside the road. Her friends saw Neiman standing in the ditch and heard a single shot.

Lockett returned to the truck because the gun had jammed. He later said he could hear Neiman pleading, "Oh God, please, please" as he fixed the shotgun.

The men could be heard "laughing about how tough Stephanie was" before Lockett shot Neiman a second time.

"He ordered Mathis to bury her, despite the fact that Mathis informed him Stephanie was still alive."

Bornt and Neiman's friend "were threatened that if they told anybody about these events, they too would be murdered," court records state.

So far as I'm concerned, this execution was only botched to the extent that this SOB didn't suffer enough.

Burn in Hell, Lockett.

[Yogi]

A four-time felon, Lockett, 38, was convicted of shooting 19-year-old Stephanie Neiman with a sawed-off shotgun and watching as two accomplices buried her alive in rural Kay County in 1999 after Neiman and a friend arrived at a home the men were robbing.


I fail to see an issue here!

[Thanos]

I'll try to find some one who's worth it to feel sorry for. Fuck that prick who's heart exploded on the gurney. Fucking kinder fate than the motherfucker deserved.

[xerxes]

It's cases like this that necessitate Aristotle's quote about the law being reason, freed from passion.

This man was essentially tortured to death all in the name of "justice". This is not something to be cheered but to be ashamed of. Capital punishment was banned in the US until 1973 because because under the constitution, it was considered cruel and unusual punishment. If this murder doesn't meet that criteria then I don't know what would.

[DrCaleb]

xerxes xerxes:

It's cases like this that necessitate Aristotle's quote about the law being reason, freed from passion.

This man was essentially tortured to death all in the name of "justice". This is not something to be cheered but to be ashamed of. Capital punishment was banned in the US until 1973 because because under the constitution, it was considered cruel and unusual punishment. If this murder doesn't meet that criteria then I don't know what would.

Hear hear!

It's one thing to take a life, it's another when we stoop to the base level that they did when they committed the crime that required the forfeit of their life.

A firing squad at least would have been quicker.

[martin14]

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Why to change drug combination if previous was working good?

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where several states have had to scramble to find new sources of execution drugs because drug makers that oppose capital punishment — many based in Europe — stopped selling to prisons and corrections departments.

Liberals.

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xerxes xerxes:

It's cases like this that necessitate Aristotle's quote about the law being reason, freed from passion.

This man was essentially tortured to death all in the name of "justice". This is not something to be cheered but to be ashamed of. Capital punishment was banned in the US until 1973 because because under the constitution, it was considered cruel and unusual punishment. If this murder doesn't meet that criteria then I don't know what would.

In this case Aristotle was wrong.

[martin14]

Thanos Thanos:

I'll try to find some one who's worth it to feel sorry for. Fuck that prick who's heart exploded on the gurney. Fucking kinder fate than the motherfucker deserved.

Well, it won't be the next one, he raped and killed an 11 month old baby.




This execution was NOT botched, the guy is dead.

If he didnt enjoy the last hour of his life, too bad.

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