[DerbyX]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Bad Harper. Bad Tories.

I understand that now that harper is in charge you guys think that nobody can criticize him?

I think its completely valid to point out harpers past actions as a reason we are in such dire straights now. How often do you guys point the finger at the Libs as a reason why the military is underequiped?

[EyeBrock]

Oh no, I'm up for founded criticism on Harper. I have a few problems on what he has done.
The Income Trusts thing cost me big on my portfolio. It's taken me up to now to recoup my losses.

But Iggy and Rae? Come on....Iggy's time has gone. Just visiting.

[DerbyX]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Oh no, I'm up for founded criticism on Harper. I have a few problems on what he has done.
The Income Trusts thing cost me big on my portfolio. It's taken me up to now to recoup my losses.

But Iggy and Rae? Come on....Iggy's time has gone. Just visiting.

First off this isn't about them, this is about the budget problems created by Harper. While you guys are spinning right and left trying to defend Harper you are ignoring the fact that even before the recession we were headed for trouble.

Before the recession the cry was slash taxes because we were in good times. A surplus was proof of over taxation. This was the opposite of what he should have been doing and his GST cuts while politically popular was ill advised because it was going to lead to just this thing which is what experts were saying. The fact that they didn't lead to greater consumer spending did it since the recession was just around the corner.

[OnTheIce]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Proculation Proculation:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Another thing.....why do we have this dimwitted Liberal logic of "saving for a rainy day" anyways?

We owe hundreds of billions of dollars, we're not in a position to "save" any money, we owe too much and pay too much interest on that debt.

Borrowing money is what you do when it's raining. When times are good, you pay down your debt to save yourself money on interest and you open the bank to borrow again when times are tough.

yeah you're right, we can't "save" money. we pay the debt with the surplus.

Except they didn't do that. Harper blew the money to spending increases and tax cuts and was headed for the red even before the recession. He made the wrong moves during the surplus times and we are reaping the rewards of his policies which were not based on the very economic theories you quoted to me.

Wrong, again.

Since 2005-2006, the Harper government reduced our National debt by 37 billion.

I know it may be a terrible idea to Liberals, as it's never really been done by Liberals during my lifetime, but paying down the debt is never a bad move.

Paying off your debt is the responsible choice to plan for a rainy day.

It puts more money in your pocket today (interest saved) and leaves room in the bank for when you really do need it the most.

[DerbyX]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Wrong, again.

Since 2005-2006, the Harper government reduced our National debt by 37 billion.

I know it may be a terrible idea to Liberals, as it's never really been done by Liberals during my lifetime, but paying down the debt is never a bad move.

Paying off your debt is the responsible choice to plan for a rainy day.

It puts more money in your pocket today (interest saved) and leaves room in the bank for when you really do need it the most.

Paying off the debt was the rainy day plan.

Harper could have done so much better but now your guy is running a 55 billion dollar deficit and one that's projected to last at least 2015 and will require a tax increase to solve.

Not planing for a recession like this is exactly what the article means and exactly what the critics have been saying about him.

I know you cons just love big government and don't mind running massive deficits but some of us don't want to hand over a massive debt to the next generation.

[OnTheIce]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Paying off the debt was the rainy day plan.

Harper could have done so much better but now your guy is running a 55 billion dollar deficit and one that's projected to last at least 2015 and will require a tax increase to solve.

Not planing for a recession like this is exactly what the article means and exactly what the critics have been saying about him.

I know you cons just love big government and don't mind running massive deficits but some of us don't want to hand over a massive debt to the next generation.

I want you to tell me how to "plan for a recession".

What could Stephen Harper and the Canadian government have done to prevent or make this recession even less harmful.

Keep in mind, Canada was the first nation to climb out of recession. I'm eager to know how you would make those results even better.

Some of you don't want to hand over massive debt to our next generation?

Should have told that to Jean and Paul who saddled us with billions when they left office.

[DerbyX]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

I want you to tell me how to "plan for a recession".

What could Stephen Harper and the Canadian government have done to prevent or make this recession even less harmful.

Keep in mind, Canada was the first nation to climb out of recession. I'm eager to know how you would make those results even better.

Some of you don't want to hand over massive debt to our next generation?

Should have told that to Jean and Paul who saddled us with billions when they left office.

With a little more foresight then this.



Again, I'll point out that Harper was already increasing spending and cutting taxes instead of paying down more of the debt. Canada climbed out of the recession faster because the Liberals had already positioned us better in the first place. Even Mulonrey deserves credit because our banking industry did so much better.

As for your tired nonsense about Jean & Paul saddling us with debt, thats just crap. The deficits they did run can be laid directly at Mulroneys feet and he surpluses that Harper got can be laid at theirs.

Thanks to Harper though he'll add more then 150 billion to the debt over the next 6 or 7 years and no doubt you won't hold him a single bit responsible.

[OnTheIce]

DerbyX DerbyX:

As for your tired nonsense about Jean & Paul saddling us with debt, thats just crap. The deficits they did run can be laid directly at Mulroneys feet and he surpluses that Harper got can be laid at theirs.

Ah yes, nothing says "tired nonsense" like facts.

And the tired old game begins.

Have a good night, Derby.

[DerbyX]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

DerbyX DerbyX:

As for your tired nonsense about Jean & Paul saddling us with debt, thats just crap. The deficits they did run can be laid directly at Mulroneys feet and he surpluses that Harper got can be laid at theirs.

Ah yes, nothing says "tired nonsense" like facts.

And the tired old game begins.

Have a good night, Derby.

The facts show the Liberals paying down the debt just like they show Harper now adding to it at a fantastic rate.

Hope you had a good Thanksgiving feast if you are a sunday feaster or wish you a good one if you are a monday feaster.

[KorbenDeck]

Conservatives refuse to save for a rainy day because the Liberals would have a field day if the Conservatives ran a surplus and put the money into a raining day fund instead of spending that money on social programs.