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[DrCaleb]

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How many android phones are supported for that long? And that walled garden, it means your banking info on you phone isn't in the wild. I would never get a google phone as the os time and time again is shown to be unsecure.

I have one of the original ASUS Android Epads. Hasn't been updated in 10 years. Still lasts a week between charges, but does not support any modern wi-fi. But it has a micro-sd card slot! Which is perfectly fine to load 16GB of comics on to and read.

[DrCaleb]

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That isn't my main concern though. They'd be stay at home phones and used almost entirely for local calls. I just need them to work. They don't have to be top-of-the-line, just something to fill in a gap until I can afford a new one.

Those phones are likely still locked too. They had to be on the network at a certain point in time to get the unlock signals.

If all you want is a home number, why not get one of those cheap VOIP phones, for like $25 a year? Run it from your internet connection.

[Thanos]

Bad credit. I'll never be able to do any of these monthly plans for these sorts of things, even if I did have the money. Which I don't. Which why having that offer from Shaw not be any good for my just because the phones I have are too "old" really pisses me off.

[bootlegga]

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Ha! I have an Ipad air circa 2013. It STILL works and they still provide security software updates. Granted I have to keep it plugged in as it goes dead as a nit in 20 seconds unplugged but I use it in the bedroom to watch netflix and headspace to sleep and it works great.

My Iphone 4s circa 2011, Still works has all my old photos and messages and yes, still gets updates.

How many android phones are supported for that long? And that walled garden, it means your banking info on you phone isn't in the wild. I would never get a google phone as the os time and time again is shown to be unsecure.

I've got a PC from 2003 that still runs well and in which I've upgraded the RAM, replaced the fan and power supply and swapped out a CD-ROM drive for DVD-RW drive.

Got a Mac that you can say the same about?

My 7 seven year old Galaxy S4 (2014) still runs fine and I've swapped out the memory card on it twice so it can handle apps and have memory for photos and music. Can you say the same about any iPhone?

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Thanos Thanos:

Bad credit. I'll never be able to do any of these monthly plans for these sorts of things, even if I did have the money. Which I don't. Which why having that offer from Shaw not be any good for my just because the phones I have are too "old" really pisses me off.

You can get pre-paid without credit. Even a used unlocked would be cheap.

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bootlegga bootlegga:

My 7 seven year old Galaxy S4 (2014) still runs fine and I've swapped out the memory card on it twice so it can handle apps and have memory for photos and music. Can you say the same about any iPhone?

Focus boots we are talking cellphones not mac/pc.

Why would you use a 7 year old cell phone? Most are designed for 2 years of use and are not intended to be used on a daily bases beyond that point.

[DrCaleb]

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bootlegga bootlegga:

My 7 seven year old Galaxy S4 (2014) still runs fine and I've swapped out the memory card on it twice so it can handle apps and have memory for photos and music. Can you say the same about any iPhone?

Focus boots we are talking cellphones not mac/pc.

Why would you use a 7 year old cell phone? Most are designed for 2 years of use and are not intended to be used on a daily bases beyond that point.

I used my Blackberry Z30 up until last summer. It was 10. I used it for phone calls, and texting, And the occasional picture. It worked perfectly fine for that, and the default apps were very useful for things like reminders and quick notes to myself.

I had to upgrade to a 3 year old BB KeyOne, because when Blackberry shut down their messaging servers over the summer, the phone processor time started to skyrocket and battery life went from 5 days to 1 day. I liked the Z30, because it didn't spy on me.

The notion that something is of limited use is part of the fallacy of a disposable economy based on planned obsolescence. If something is well built, it will last a long time and remain useful over its life. If a company wants the meagre profits from hardware more consistently, they will feed you the idea that newer is better to get you to keep buying, or signing up for their service.

[bootlegga]

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bootlegga bootlegga:

My 7 seven year old Galaxy S4 (2014) still runs fine and I've swapped out the memory card on it twice so it can handle apps and have memory for photos and music. Can you say the same about any iPhone?

Focus boots we are talking cellphones not mac/pc.

Why would you use a 7 year old cell phone? Most are designed for 2 years of use and are not intended to be used on a daily bases beyond that point.

My point is that Apple's planned obsolescence and inability to upgrade hardware carried over from their Macs, so it is relevant.

That corporate policy got me off Apple LONG before anyone at that company ever dreamed of an iPhone.

And why use a Galaxy S4? Because I can upgrade it and still keep using it, that's why.

It still makes calls, sends texts, takes good pictures (13 MP), plays music and lets me use the few apps I like, so why would I replace it until I have to? Sure, it doesn't have all the bells and whistles that Galaxy S20 does, but it's long paid for, works fine and the screen still isn't cracked (thank you OtterBox).

I'll probably upgrade it later this year when the S20 goes on sale, but I see no reason to replace something just because it's old. I'd rather spend my money on other things (like travel) than upgrading my phone every two years.

[herbie]

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the fact that people still buy shit from Apple is baffling.

No it's simple. There are people who want their stuff and people too cheap to do more than whine about them.
Market forces force me to deal with Android and Microsoft's abortions.

[DrCaleb]

herbie herbie:

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the fact that people still buy shit from Apple is baffling.

No it's simple. There are people who want their stuff and people too cheap to do more than whine about them.
Market forces force me to deal with Android and Microsoft's abortions.

And Apple won't allow you to sully theirs.

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bootlegga bootlegga:

My point is that Apple's planned obsolescence and inability to upgrade hardware carried over from their Macs, so it is relevant.

Planned obsolesce is not the same as diminishing returns. You can not expect an OS that is adding new and more power demanding features to still work on a battery in a cell phone that is expected to be active every day for years at a time. The battery is going to get weaker and the chip that runs it is only as good as the time it was issued but the software will always be geared to the latest spec. Inevitably the software is going to outpace the hardware and since cellphones are not phones but mini-computers they are going to need to keep up with the tech not the utility of making a phone call.

It's not pretty but if you want a stable and reliable os your going to need to sacrifice some utility. The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak, same with tech. The software is promising the moon but Scotty is screaming the engines are gonna blow.

This has a LOT to do with the fact that tech has moved so fast in such little time. There is soon to be a stabilizing in that we can only make chips so small and batteries so powerful. The leaps we made years past will be inches in future so we really will end up with phone that last much longer going forward but planned obsolesce to force consumers to upgrade was not the focus, it was an afterthought.

[DrCaleb]

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bootlegga bootlegga:

My point is that Apple's planned obsolescence and inability to upgrade hardware carried over from their Macs, so it is relevant.

Planned obsolesce is not the same as diminishing returns. You can not expect an OS that is adding new and more power demanding features to still work on a battery in a cell phone that is expected to be active every day for years at a time. The battery is going to get weaker and the chip that runs it is only as good as the time it was issued but the software will always be geared to the latest spec. Inevitably the software is going to outpace the hardware and since cellphones are not phones but mini-computers they are going to need to keep up with the tech not the utility of making a phone call.

Making a phone call takes the same amount of silicon now as it did in the 90's. Sending texts is actually a subset of the phone system that was developed for call display. And it's the increased data rates that eat up battery life, and require new hardware.

And most phones, including my beloved Z30, the user could replace the battery. And I did.

Software only progresses in how it delivers you to advertisers to you, or you to advertisers. Look how Facebook is fighting Apple's Operating system 'upgrades'. And for all the changes, the number of exploitable holes only increases.

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How many dropped calls did you have on those networks that only supported one band if you could connect where you were at?

Hardware isn't just in your hand it's the network it interfaces with. That network isn't created out of thin air nor is it maintained that way. What data you send to that network in the 90's unencrypted and via set providers via establish protocols is NOT static. CDMA, GSM, LTE are all established now but they are not staying that way as there is a push to 5G how we get there is still up in the air. Do you think your phone from the 90's will work on those networks?

[Thanos]

I have a hard time believing that phones from 2012 to 2014 are so obsolete that they can't handle the upgraded systems. And especially in the cities, where there's a cell tower installed every two kilometers. Dropping calls in the boondocks is one thing. But in the cities with an older phone? There's something not jake about that.