[DerbyX]

ryan29 ryan29:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:

DerbyX DerbyX:

ridenrain ridenrain:

Prove it Derby. Get those "rogue bureatcrats" into court.
What have you got? A book written by someone else, forewarded by martin, probably paid for by Liberals, based on a distraught confused wife.

At the same time you demand proof from us you put forth your own speculation as proof.

Your corrupt party tried to bribe a dying man.

Get over it.

Your corrupt party stole hundreds of millions of dollars of tax payer money, all under the name of national unity. And, if you think there wasn't bribe money floating around, you are still in partisan denial mode.

$1:

-Former Canadian Alliance MP Jim Hart took the party to court and settled after claiming he'd been offered $62,000 to quit his B.C. seat in July 2000 to make way for new party leader Stockwell Day. "My resignation was contingent upon this negotiation," Hart wrote Day in a letter obtained by the Liberal party.

-In 2002, Ezra Levant settled privately for nomination expenses with the Canadian Alliance after dropping his candidacy in Calgary Southwest to permit leader Stephen Harper a clear run in a byelection.

-In 2005, a prospective Conservative candidate in Ottawa claimed he'd been offered $50,000 for expenses to make way for a star Tory candidate. Harper publicly denied there was a deal, but a subsequent court case vindicated Allan Riddell's claim.

-In May 2005, Conservative MP Gurmant Grewal claimed he was offered a Liberal sinecure abroad or a Senate seat for his wife in return for scratching his budget vote. Grewal secretly taped the negotiations with then prime minister Paul Martin's chief of staff and Liberal cabinet minister Ujjal Dosanjh. An ethics inquiry ended up rebuking Grewal.

-Conservative MP Belinda Stronach crossed the Commons floor on May 17, 2005, in return for a seat in Martin's Liberal cabinet. Her vote, along with Cadman's, helped the Liberal minority survive for another half year.

-Freshly elected Liberal MP David Emerson abandoned the Liberals two weeks after the Jan. 23, 2006, election in return for a seat in Harper's Conservative cabinet.

-Ottawa Mayor Larry O'Brien is currently facing two counts of influence peddling involving allegations he dangled cash and a federal appointment to induce a fellow candidate to quit the municipal race in the fall of 2006. Terry Kilrea did quit, but did not accept the alleged offer. Conservative officials, including cabinet minister John Baird, insist no federal appointment was ever discussed or offered.

Lets not forget they tried to bribe a dying man in order to force an election, a despicable act.

I'm definately not voting CPC now.

as if you were considering voting cpc before anyways

and i could make a list of liberal scandals if i wanted to .

like david orchard incident , blair wilson overspending , sponsorship scandal , numerous ontario liberal scandals ,

You just don't get it do you?

The whole point of this was to bust the BS con notion that the Liberals are a dastardly corrupt party while the CPC hearlded in a new era of honest and accountable politicians.

For every one of your Liberal scandals there exists a Conservative one and quite frankly this one looks worse then anything anybody has ever doen.

Trying to bribe a dying man. I can only imagine that things you guys would say if it was the Liberals who tried this.

[mtbr]

DerbyX DerbyX:

ryan29 ryan29:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:

DerbyX DerbyX:

ridenrain ridenrain:

Prove it Derby. Get those "rogue bureatcrats" into court.
What have you got? A book written by someone else, forewarded by martin, probably paid for by Liberals, based on a distraught confused wife.

At the same time you demand proof from us you put forth your own speculation as proof.

Your corrupt party tried to bribe a dying man.

Get over it.

Your corrupt party stole hundreds of millions of dollars of tax payer money, all under the name of national unity. And, if you think there wasn't bribe money floating around, you are still in partisan denial mode.

$1:

-Former Canadian Alliance MP Jim Hart took the party to court and settled after claiming he'd been offered $62,000 to quit his B.C. seat in July 2000 to make way for new party leader Stockwell Day. "My resignation was contingent upon this negotiation," Hart wrote Day in a letter obtained by the Liberal party.

-In 2002, Ezra Levant settled privately for nomination expenses with the Canadian Alliance after dropping his candidacy in Calgary Southwest to permit leader Stephen Harper a clear run in a byelection.

-In 2005, a prospective Conservative candidate in Ottawa claimed he'd been offered $50,000 for expenses to make way for a star Tory candidate. Harper publicly denied there was a deal, but a subsequent court case vindicated Allan Riddell's claim.

-In May 2005, Conservative MP Gurmant Grewal claimed he was offered a Liberal sinecure abroad or a Senate seat for his wife in return for scratching his budget vote. Grewal secretly taped the negotiations with then prime minister Paul Martin's chief of staff and Liberal cabinet minister Ujjal Dosanjh. An ethics inquiry ended up rebuking Grewal.

-Conservative MP Belinda Stronach crossed the Commons floor on May 17, 2005, in return for a seat in Martin's Liberal cabinet. Her vote, along with Cadman's, helped the Liberal minority survive for another half year.

-Freshly elected Liberal MP David Emerson abandoned the Liberals two weeks after the Jan. 23, 2006, election in return for a seat in Harper's Conservative cabinet.

-Ottawa Mayor Larry O'Brien is currently facing two counts of influence peddling involving allegations he dangled cash and a federal appointment to induce a fellow candidate to quit the municipal race in the fall of 2006. Terry Kilrea did quit, but did not accept the alleged offer. Conservative officials, including cabinet minister John Baird, insist no federal appointment was ever discussed or offered.

Lets not forget they tried to bribe a dying man in order to force an election, a despicable act.

I'm definately not voting CPC now.

as if you were considering voting cpc before anyways

and i could make a list of liberal scandals if i wanted to .

like david orchard incident , blair wilson overspending , sponsorship scandal , numerous ontario liberal scandals ,

You just don't get it do you?

The whole point of this was to bust the BS con notion that the Liberals are a dastardly corrupt party while the CPC hearlded in a new era of honest and accountable politicians.

For every one of your Liberal scandals there exists a Conservative one and quite frankly this one looks worse then anything anybody has ever doen.

Trying to bribe a dying man. I can only imagine that things you guys would say if it was the Liberals who tried this.

At least they didn't steal my money

[DerbyX]

mtbr mtbr:

DerbyX DerbyX:

ryan29 ryan29:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:

DerbyX DerbyX:

ridenrain ridenrain:

Prove it Derby. Get those "rogue bureatcrats" into court.
What have you got? A book written by someone else, forewarded by martin, probably paid for by Liberals, based on a distraught confused wife.

At the same time you demand proof from us you put forth your own speculation as proof.

Your corrupt party tried to bribe a dying man.

Get over it.

Your corrupt party stole hundreds of millions of dollars of tax payer money, all under the name of national unity. And, if you think there wasn't bribe money floating around, you are still in partisan denial mode.

$1:

-Former Canadian Alliance MP Jim Hart took the party to court and settled after claiming he'd been offered $62,000 to quit his B.C. seat in July 2000 to make way for new party leader Stockwell Day. "My resignation was contingent upon this negotiation," Hart wrote Day in a letter obtained by the Liberal party.

-In 2002, Ezra Levant settled privately for nomination expenses with the Canadian Alliance after dropping his candidacy in Calgary Southwest to permit leader Stephen Harper a clear run in a byelection.

-In 2005, a prospective Conservative candidate in Ottawa claimed he'd been offered $50,000 for expenses to make way for a star Tory candidate. Harper publicly denied there was a deal, but a subsequent court case vindicated Allan Riddell's claim.

-In May 2005, Conservative MP Gurmant Grewal claimed he was offered a Liberal sinecure abroad or a Senate seat for his wife in return for scratching his budget vote. Grewal secretly taped the negotiations with then prime minister Paul Martin's chief of staff and Liberal cabinet minister Ujjal Dosanjh. An ethics inquiry ended up rebuking Grewal.

-Conservative MP Belinda Stronach crossed the Commons floor on May 17, 2005, in return for a seat in Martin's Liberal cabinet. Her vote, along with Cadman's, helped the Liberal minority survive for another half year.

-Freshly elected Liberal MP David Emerson abandoned the Liberals two weeks after the Jan. 23, 2006, election in return for a seat in Harper's Conservative cabinet.

-Ottawa Mayor Larry O'Brien is currently facing two counts of influence peddling involving allegations he dangled cash and a federal appointment to induce a fellow candidate to quit the municipal race in the fall of 2006. Terry Kilrea did quit, but did not accept the alleged offer. Conservative officials, including cabinet minister John Baird, insist no federal appointment was ever discussed or offered.

Lets not forget they tried to bribe a dying man in order to force an election, a despicable act.

I'm definately not voting CPC now.

as if you were considering voting cpc before anyways

and i could make a list of liberal scandals if i wanted to .

like david orchard incident , blair wilson overspending , sponsorship scandal , numerous ontario liberal scandals ,

You just don't get it do you?

The whole point of this was to bust the BS con notion that the Liberals are a dastardly corrupt party while the CPC hearlded in a new era of honest and accountable politicians.

For every one of your Liberal scandals there exists a Conservative one and quite frankly this one looks worse then anything anybody has ever doen.

Trying to bribe a dying man. I can only imagine that things you guys would say if it was the Liberals who tried this.

At least they didn't steal my money

How about the fact that Gomery cleared both Martin and Chretien?

Sorry for your luck.

Keep crying though guys.

[mtbr]

Maybe Mr spineless Dion will change his mind and vote down the budget...election time than we'll see who's crying.

[PluggyRug]

DerbyX DerbyX:

How about the fact that Gomery cleared both Martin and Chretien?

Well Derby, twas a smokey thing.


and the Devil Wears Prada.

[Benoit]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Prove it.

The man himself sais he was not bribed.
Looking at the proof, I find it more likely that Dosanhj bribed Cadman when he came over for tea. It's not like Dosanjh wasn't already a proven bagman, after his taped courting of CPC-MP Grewal.

After all, this story was broke shortly after Paul Martin got his advanced copy of the book, which he wrote the foreward in. It's worh considering that Cadman had nothing good to say about martin, nor did martin say anything good about any Reformer, Conservative, and especially a nobody independant. Why martin is now acting like some godfather is very suspicious.

I'm guessing the real proof will be when Donna Cadman crosses the floor to a Liberal cabinet post.

I wouldn't be suprised

$1:

When discerning who is telling the truth, who had more to lose and who had more to gain? Chuck Cadman by accepting a bribe and possibly being implicated as a "dirty" politician? Or the desperate strategists of Doug Finley and Tom Flanagan who would have done anything to end the 12-year Liberal dynasty?

- We can put Doug Finley and Tom Flanagan to the polygraph.

- Mr. Cadman said he was not bribe by Harper himself.

- Liberals bribing doesn’t make disappear the Conservatives bribing.

[Wally_Sconce]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Its so pathetic that you seem to think that all you have to do to excuse your parties despicable acts are to simply point the finger of blame at somebody else lest it exonerate you. lol.

practise what you preach.

[DerbyX]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

DerbyX DerbyX:

How about the fact that Gomery cleared both Martin and Chretien?

Well Derby, twas a smokey thing.


and the Devil Wears Prada.

You seem to be speaking in poetry quite a bit. Spring is here and a young mans fancy turns to love?

[DerbyX]

Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Its so pathetic that you seem to think that all you have to do to excuse your parties despicable acts are to simply point the finger of blame at somebody else lest it exonerate you. lol.

practise what you preach.

Right back at you slick.

[Benoit]

About the perspective of Chretien, Martin, Mulroney and Harper sharing the same cell for a while!?

[Elvis]

This story is fucking disgusting on so many level!

First of all it's bloody illegal to bribe a member of parliament for his vote.

Second it's sooo cheap! Bribing a dying man with a life insurance!!!!!! That just wrong.

How can anyone defend such reprehensible act!

You Canadian are really sick!

[Elvis]

This was in La press this morning

Enjoy

$1:

Le samedi 01 mars 2008

Vincent Marissal

Une sale affaire

À chacun son scandale, à chacun son Chuck. Les libéraux ont eu les commandites et Guité; les conservateurs sont maintenant pris avec le fantôme de Cadman.

L'affaire ressemble à un scénario grossier de téléroman: un député mourant, dont le seul vote aux Communes peut sauver ou renverser le gouvernement minoritaire, se voit offrir une assurance vie d'un million par l'opposition.

L'histoire ne dit pas comment au juste on peut acheter une assurance vie à un cancéreux en phase terminale - et à cette époque, Chuck Cadman était le cancéreux le plus connu au Canada - et le chef conservateur nie l'affaire, mais il semble bel et bien qu'il y ait eu des discussions d'ordre pécuniaire avec le défunt député indépendant.

Nous ne sommes donc pas dans un téléroman, mais bien sur la scène de la politique canadienne, où s'est joué en mai 2005 l'un des épisodes les plus disgracieux qui soient. Acheter le vote d'un député mourant pour provoquer des élections, on peut difficilement imaginer stratégie plus répugnante.

Rappelons, en plus, que les conservateurs, qui étaient si pressés de faire tomber le vacillant gouvernement Martin en mai 2005, lui avaient pourtant permis de survivre trois mois plus tôt en laissant passer la première mouture de son budget (Stéphane Dion n'est pas le premier chef de l'opposition à avaler des couleuvres budgétaires).

Entre février et mai, toutefois, Jean Brault était venu déballer son sac devant la commission Gomery, ce qui avait soudainement poussé les conservateurs à vouloir absolument des élections au plus vite.

Ironique, n'est-ce pas? Ce parti qui pourfendait les libéraux corrompus en promettant la javellisation des moeurs politiques cherchait au même moment à obtenir le vote d'un député à l'agonie en échange de quelque bénéfice.

Il ne s'agit pas d'excuser ou de blanchir les libéraux pour leurs propres magouilles, mais il sera dorénavant difficile pour les conservateurs de nous parler de probité. Le pouvoir a le même effet, sur trop de politiciens, que la bague de Tolkien dans Le Seigneur des Anneaux: il rend dingue.

Le premier ministre Harper nie, évidemment, et le fait que le principal intéressé soit mort rend toute contre-vérification impossible. Ce sera donc la parole du premier ministre contre celles de la fille et de la veuve de Chuck Cadman, qui, en plus, se présentera pour les conservateurs aux prochaines élections. Bonjour l'ambiance.

Cela dit, il y a cet enregistrement équivoque de 2005 dans lequel on entend M. Harper confirmer qu'il y a eu des pourparlers entre des représentants de son parti et Chuck Cadman. M. Harper parle aussi dans cette interview des «considérations financières» de M. Cadman.

Peu importe la somme, que ce soit une assurance vie d'un million ou un don de quelques milliers de dollars, la loi ne fait pas de distinction: il s'agit bel et bien d'une tentative de corruption d'un député.

Les deux conseillers de M. Harper impliqués dans cette affaire, Tom Flanagan et Doug Finley (qui est toujours organisateur en chef des conservateurs) ont émis un communiqué tard jeudi soir pour dire que tout ce qu'ils avaient offert à M. Cadman, c'était une aide pour qu'il puisse se présenter comme candidat conservateur aux prochaines élections. Cette explication ne tient pas la route: Chuck Cadman était mourant, il ne se souciait probablement pas des prochaines élections!

Les libéraux aussi avaient courtisé Chuck Cadman pour obtenir son vote crucial. Paul Martin (qui signe la préface de la biographie à paraître de M. Cadman) avait eu des entretiens avec les députés indépendants, dont Chuck Cadman, et le Parti libéral avait même offert d'aller le chercher en Colombie-Britannique en avion privé pour qu'il puisse voter aux Communes.

À l'époque, le plus solitaire des députés, un gros barbu avec une queue de cheval qui venait au parlement en jeans, était devenu le gars le plus convoité de la colline.

Finalement, pour la petite histoire, rappelons que les libéraux avaient survécu à ce vote fatidique. Paul Martin y avait toutefois mis le prix: 4,6 milliards de dépenses consentis au chef du NPD, Jack Layton, dans une nouvelle mouture du budget et une limousine à Belinda Stronach, qui avait traversé la Chambre en échange d'un poste de ministre. C'est cher, mais contrairement à l'affaire Cadman, c'est dans les limites de la légalité.

Pour la suite des choses, la question est de savoir si Stéphane Dion a encore assez de dents pour mordre dans ce scandale bien dodu. Après la semaine désastreuse qu'il vient de connaître, c'est douteux.

Et même si cette affaire inespérée lui redonnait un peu de coffre, comment va-t-il expliquer aux Canadiens que c'est maintenant le temps d'aller en élections après avoir répété que ceux-ci n'en veulent pas pour le moment.

Autre question: les libéraux, qui traînent leur propre scandale derrière eux, ont-ils vraiment intérêt à entraîner les Canadiens sur le terrain de la probité?

Si oui, le NPD et le Bloc n'auront pas trop de mal à trouver leur prochain slogan: les deux autres sont corrompus, votez pour nous!

I just hope that a few liberal MP defies There leader and vote with the rest of the opposition party !

[ryan29]

Benoit Benoit:

ridenrain ridenrain:

Prove it.

The man himself sais he was not bribed.
Looking at the proof, I find it more likely that Dosanhj bribed Cadman when he came over for tea. It's not like Dosanjh wasn't already a proven bagman, after his taped courting of CPC-MP Grewal.

After all, this story was broke shortly after Paul Martin got his advanced copy of the book, which he wrote the foreward in. It's worh considering that Cadman had nothing good to say about martin, nor did martin say anything good about any Reformer, Conservative, and especially a nobody independant. Why martin is now acting like some godfather is very suspicious.

I'm guessing the real proof will be when Donna Cadman crosses the floor to a Liberal cabinet post.

I wouldn't be suprised

$1:

When discerning who is telling the truth, who had more to lose and who had more to gain? Chuck Cadman by accepting a bribe and possibly being implicated as a "dirty" politician? Or the desperate strategists of Doug Finley and Tom Flanagan who would have done anything to end the 12-year Liberal dynasty?

- We can put Doug Finley and Tom Flanagan to the polygraph.

- Mr. Cadman said he was not bribe by Harper himself.

- Liberals bribing doesn’t make disappear the Conservatives bribing.

well i agree there is maybe some ways they could prove this story , maybe the 2 conservatives involved have email , phone and other records from that day . maybe they still have on file what they offered him that day . a list of things he would of got if he had returned to the conservatives which would of been legal . its not illegal to ask someone to join the party especialy someone who previously was a member .

maybe this insurance company ? involved has records or explain if a policy would of even been given to him.

not sure but there must be some way to figure it all out

could also give donna cadman a lie detector test to see if she is telling the truth , mean how do we know she is ?

[fifeboy]

westmanguy westmanguy:

This is odd...his widow is making the allegations, and she is running for the C.P.C. in Surrey North :WTF:

Yeah! What to say, a tory who tells the truth. We had better get her name and number.

[ryan29]

Elvis Elvis:

This story is fucking disgusting on so many level!

First of all it's bloody illegal to bribe a member of parliament for his vote.

Second it's sooo cheap! Bribing a dying man with a life insurance!!!!!! That just wrong.

How can anyone defend such reprehensible act!

You Canadian are really sick!

ok but this story has not been proven in court . does it make it true just because it was on the news ?
does it make it true just because some candidate said so ?

there story of death bed confessions and claims without any real evidence would get torn apart in court . where is there evidence ? copy of supposed insurance offer ?
oh they don't have one .

mean mr cadman is shown on tv saying no offer was made and he had lots of time with the press to say if he felt something wrong had taken place.

so this new claim is rather bizare and odd timing .