[Gunnair]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

These lone or small-cell Jihadis are like a cult. They feed off the multitude of Jihadi-type forums and web sites that infest the net.

They may vary in technical ability but they are proliferating. It's a never ending supply-and-demand scenario.

They emigrate to western country but are aghast at our culture. They don't fit in in, they don't want to fit in so they become insular. Easy meat for the radicals to play with and off they go with a bomb vest.

There are quite a few studies out that allude to the fragile mental health state of many Jihadi-suicide types both in the west and in the Arab world. If you are a bit nuts and without mates, a radical Jihadi suddenly becoming your best mate ever can be very tempting to some of these messed-up nut jobs.

I would suspect that anyone with a fragile mental health states would be attracted to cult like organizations.

That being said, I'm really beginning to wonder why Islamic folks come to Canada, UK, US, western European countries. I sympathise with the difficulties to adapt to a new culture, but moving to a culture that one is hostile to makes little sense to me.

Stay home and be happy. Don't move to some new country, get all angry, and blow yourself up.

[EyeBrock]

That's easy Gunny, they want the standard of living and freedom we have, but they are not willing to integrate because our idiot leaders have told them they don’t have to.

We really should be ditching the craven god of multi-cult and proactively promoting integration of new immigrants into our society.

This hyphenated Canadian stuff has failed us and the immigrants. Lets try and make them into Canadians, not plastics who bugger off to Beirut/Hong Kong etc as soon as they get a navy blue passport.

[PostFactum]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Stay home and be happy. Don't move to some new country, get all angry, and blow yourself up.

For about US soldiers at the middle east?

[EyeBrock]

PostFactum PostFactum:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Stay home and be happy. Don't move to some new country, get all angry, and blow yourself up.

For about US soldiers at the middle east?

That was Gunnys PF.....

[PostFactum]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

PostFactum PostFactum:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Stay home and be happy. Don't move to some new country, get all angry, and blow yourself up.

For about US soldiers at the middle east?

That was Gunnys PF.....

I'm sorry, I'll remake

[EyeBrock]

No probs! I usually agree with Gunny anyways....just don't get me mixed up with say DD!

[BartSimpson]

Gunnair Gunnair:

I would suspect that anyone with a fragile mental health states would be attracted to cult like organizations.

That's a sometimes fatal assumption. People who are perfectly sound get attracted to cults and, sometimes, cults can actually be composed of extremely intelligent people which was the case with the 'Heaven's Gate' suicide cult.

True, people of other-than-average mental states can be attracted to cults.

But to simply assume such a thing - even when it is stated by mental health officials - is never a good idea.

The reason I discredit mental health officials is because the practice of mental health anymore is rife with political correctness and is, itself, questionable. Bear in mind that forty years ago they commonly called homosexuals mentally ill. Now anyone who is not fully supportive of homosexuality is deemed mentally ill. For that matter, anyone evidencing religious or patriotic feelings is sometimes considered mentally ill...an echo of the practices of the Soviet Union.

If a terrorist turns out to be menatlly ill, fine. But when I start any such assessment I assume from the get-go that the terrorist has made a rational decision. When looking at the forensic assessment of the methods and planning taken by the terrorist quite frequently you see calm, methodical, and precise and unimpulsive planning. Traits that are most defintely not the hallmark of disturbed individuals.

In the case of this attack the impulse to dismiss this mutt as mentally ill derives from the current Western liberal compulsion that prohibits anyone from considering Islamic religious belief - even schismatic belief - as a motivator for action.

Maybe he was mentally ill. But it's way too soon for anyone to say that with even the least amount of authority.

[EyeBrock]

I think you have to be a bit fucked in the head to wear a bomb vest and blow yourself and a load of civvies up Bart.

[PostFactum]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Gunnair Gunnair:

I would suspect that anyone with a fragile mental health states would be attracted to cult like organizations.

That's a sometimes fatal assumption. People who are perfectly sound get attracted to cults and, sometimes, cults can actually be composed of extremely intelligent people which was the case with the 'Heaven's Gate' suicide cult.

True, people of other-than-average mental states can be attracted to cults.

But to simply assume such a thing - even when it is stated by mental health officials - is never a good idea.

The reason I discredit mental health officials is because the practice of mental health anymore is rife with political correctness and is, itself, questionable. Bear in mind that forty years ago they commonly called homosexuals mentally ill. Now anyone who is not fully supportive of homosexuality is deemed mentally ill. For that matter, anyone evidencing religious or patriotic feelings is sometimes considered mentally ill...an echo of the practices of the Soviet Union.

If a terrorist turns out to be menatlly ill, fine. But when I start any such assessment I assume from the get-go that the terrorist has made a rational decision. When looking at the forensic assessment of the methods and planning taken by the terrorist quite frequently you see calm, methodical, and precise and unimpulsive planning. Traits that are most defintely not the hallmark of disturbed individuals.

In the case of this attack the impulse to dismiss this mutt as mentally ill derives from the current Western liberal compulsion that prohibits anyone from considering Islamic religious belief - even schismatic belief - as a motivator for action.

Maybe he was mentally ill. But it's way too soon for anyone to say that with even the least amount of authority.

I can't agree with you that terrorists can be mentally ill, they realise and undestand what they are doing. And their head in some ways is healthiest than ours, they have found the way to beat us,our people are dying, we can't protect us - who is smarter? they. Soviet Union wasn't only one country that was against gays and it is not their invention, it has older roots. For our culture it is strange to kill yourself, in their it is normal. We need to be smarter, faster and craftier than they are

[BartSimpson]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I think you have to be a bit fucked in the head to wear a bomb vest and blow yourself and a load of civvies up Bart.

EB, if you think that the object of such an exercise is to obtain a political point then assuming mental illness is natural. The problem is that the assignment of the label of mental illness discounts the fact that these guys do not have killing Westerners as their primary goal. Were that the case they'd set a bomb and walk away in order to set yet more bombs and kill more people.

What these guys are in pursuit of is martyrdom in the eyes of their god who will reward them with eternal salvation. Thus the killing of infidels is only a prerequisite for the primary goal of obtaining one's eternal salvation.

The problem too many Westerners have in grasping this kind of thing is that they've rejected religion as a motivator in their own lives so now they are unable to perceive religion in it's proper perspective as a motivator in other people's lives.

We understand things relative to those things we already understand.

Too many secular people are unable to see the world as a religious person does because they utterly lack this kind of perception. They want to reduce religion to laws and rules that they can understand while they're utterly unable to grasp the feeling that one can have in a religious experience.

[andyt]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

That's easy Gunny, they want the standard of living but not the freedom we have, but they are not willing to integrate because our idiot leaders have told them they don’t have to.

We really should be ditching the craven god of multi-cult and proactively promoting integration of new immigrants into our society.

This hyphenated Canadian stuff has failed us and the immigrants. Lets try and make them into Canadians, not plastics who bugger off to Beirut/Hong Kong etc as soon as they get a navy blue passport.

Fixed that for you. They think our standard of living comes about magically, and that they can keep their social organization yet have all the goodies.

Totally agree about ensuring more integration. The best way to do that is to limit the number of immigrants we accept, so they can't just cluster fuck together but are pushed by social pressures to fit in more.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

They think our standard of living comes about magically

That's extremely true and not just a sarcastic remark. Consider that even Saudi Arabia prosecutes and executes people for sorcery and withcraft and you'll realize that some of those fine people really do attribute Western successes to black magic.

We're not Muslims, so Allah has not blessed us therefore the remaining example is that we're doing business with Iblis (Satan) and we oppress the Muslims because our Master the devil has ordered us to do so. <--- There's folks over in the sandbox who think this way.

[Proculation]

The religion of peace

(I could not resist )