[sasquatch2]

Iroquois are now pretty much assimilated. The former runners of the woods are now bar-flys with beer guts.

[commanderkai]

Heavy_Metal Heavy_Metal:

that really says it all right there, including your ability to accept and process information that will help you understand the real shit storm WE have put the First Nations in.

Oh we put them in through plenty of things, yet if we didn't, Canada would probably be much different and we'd still be dealing with Indian raids or something.

The shitstorm that happened to the Natives isn't new or original yet for some reason they expect alot more to come from it.

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aaahhhh my poor sad sad uninformed friend, it's call the Indian Act you poor boy, a white mans invention that can almost singally account for all of the oppression and hardships that the First Nations have had to endure.

I will give example - I hope it has some kind of impact:

Before ammendments to the Indian Act...in 1983 (or there abouts), when a FN woman married a non FN man, she...and her subsiquent children lost their status.
But, when a FN man married a non FN woman, that woman gained FN status under the Indian Act. therefore the FN woman looses her right to stay on a reserve, where the non-FN woman gains the right to live on the reserve.
now this seems innocent right? big deal the FN woman looses her status and the non FN woman gets status, wooptedoo right?

Trying to read through this, which is pretty difficult, but fine I'll entertain your notion here.

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now i'm gunna get you to think abit now....scary i know but bare with me

Coming from the guy who's constantly failed to use capitals, spell check, and proper punctuation. Sure fine I'll think for you, somebody has to.

$1:

...who has the most impact on a child growing up? the mother right? yes i know there are some exceptions, but the vast majority it is their mother. Now how is a white woman (non FN) going to teach that child about his/her heritage? tell the legends and the history of that Band, that People? certainly not the white woman.

Oh so they stopped teaching old traditions? That's the big issue? Here lets try this, when the dominant culture in a nation has smaller nations within them, the dominant culture will try to assimilate, knowingly or not, the smaller ones. This has happened with all immigrant communities. Plus isn't the FN father supposed to tell about the great war dances and songs and shit like that?

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Bam loss of culture due to improper upbringing at the hands of a non-FN person.ok, you may see this as a weak argument, sure it can be countered fairly easily....it takes a village to raise a child yadda yadda, i will counter any argument with the REAL and horribly diabolical reason behind it....the government was trying to BREAD the First Nation out of the people,

I still see no problem with that. The First Nations that STILL exist are still doing the same thing, living piss poor lifestyles, learning no skills or trades to help their community, and instead abusing substances. Plus, like you said, white women who married in could live on the reserves, while white men cannot. This was probably because that when those Acts were created...MEN did everything job wise and were supposed to support the wife and children.

$1:

and they did a tragically good job at it, as one Band in Ontario has already given birth to the last in their blood line, a blood line that will be wiped out in 50 years or so.

They should of breed more. Either way, not my problem. If they knew this was happening, they should of done something about it. They didn't. So why exactly are you blaming the government for this?

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no, that's not my quotation, but i wouldn't expect you to get that right. although you are in the ball park at least - i believe anything devine that has been touched by human hands (the church) is tainted, and the capicty for evil is multiplied expidentially when done 'in the name of God'.

Oh right, here are your quotes. Excuse me if I make an accurate summary. Oh and the Name of God stuff you were talking about, explain Stalin, Mao, and Hitler, they were not touched by the Hand of God yet they committed more evil then anyone else.


"aaahhh you religious freaks are really a trip you know that.

the truth is right infront of your eyes and you are so f*cking blind you can't see it"

"WAKE THE F*CK UP PEOPLE, the book is FECAL MATTER SPLASHED ON PAIGES WITH 'GODS CONSENT',"

$1:

you haven't visited hiddenfromhistory.org yet have you?
i will give you a list of just BC:

And a bunch of mass graves whinefest

All fun and good, but that has nothing to do with how the Church has had a much more critical impact then the First Natives, and they still do have a bigger impact then the First Natives ever will.

$1:

visit the site, watch the documentary, then hopefully, you'll see just one of the HUNDREDS of reasons why all these Natives are 'wining all the time'.

All whiny living in the past bullshit. They need to grow up since once again many cultures in this land can give alot of examples of injustices by the government. They aren't whining.

$1:

I want to touch on the matter of compensation for a second. Recently the government put together a package to conpensate the victums of residential school abuse. I have the article, but can't get to it on this computer, I'll post it later if i remember. anyway the government laid out different amounts of compensation for different abuses, rape for example (real figures on article) $10,000 compensation, other form of sexual assault $5,000 and on and on. the government is essentually saying, standing there with their clipboard and pen....'ok, you were raped...well here's your cheque...next...oohhh you were only beaten to a pulp for the 12 years you were forciably confined in the 'school' well that's um, 2,000, ok here's your cheque off you go......next....aaahhh only mild fondeling eh, well that's 1,000, ok, off you go. THEY ARE PUTTING A FUCKING PRICE ON ABUSE!!

Yeah...that's what the word COMPENSATION means. You give money for abuses, proven or not. Why are you overblowing this?
If this doesn't move you, YOU ARE IN SERIOUS NEED OF A HUMANITY CHECK!

all this, everything i wrote and took off the website is ONE WATER MOLECULEIN A SEA OF ONGOING GENOCIDE AND OPPRESSION.

us whites have TO WAKE THE FUCK UP and realize what the government, our government, has done and is doing to these People.[/quote]

[Normalguy]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Well, having taught on and lived next to a reserve, many of the generalizations people make are because of the high rates of substance abuse, crime and general apathy that exists on them. The native community/reserve that I worked on had a population of approximately 1800 - 2000 people, yet there wasn't one person trained as a small motor mechanic, electrician, plumber, carpenter or any other skilled tradesperson. If anything required building or fixing, skilled tradesmen had to be flown in from Winnipeg or Thompson...No Ziggy, they drove to Thompson and then flew in. On weekends there were times that I ended up working 20+ hour shifts in the RCMP holding cells because none of the people on the list from the reservation would come in or were sober enough to. This was the same case with the volunteer firefighting.
Now I'm not stating this involves most or all of the native population but there does seem to be a high proportion of individuals who fit the stereoptype, and stereotypes are based on observations.

Amen! I've worked on Reserves as well, and on most, the dogs don't even get up much before eleven. While building a school on a Reserve they would come in at night and smash the f*ck out of everything EVERY night. As far as racist comments, my friend is a nurse that works in northern Manitoba (8 billion for Indian affairs and Helath Canada will NOT disclose what THEY spend on Natives) and when he refused a drunk and drugged sh*tpump at 4 am who had the sniffles, and demanded that "You white MF, co**sucker etc. better treat me etc. and other less tame anecdotes and this is a regular occurrence on this Reserve. Or like the chief of the band demading extra money for an "Emergency medical vehicle", like a Ford F150 (hmm THAT sounds reasonable) and drove it to Winnipeg on a bender for a month, ice road melted, truck was abandoned blah, blah, blah same thing again sh*t. They are worse collectively than Jessie Jacson AND Al Sharpeton as far as being professional victims go.

[Heavy_Metal]

I want to start this reply with something that has bashed against the more than just your brick head....THIS, is....an...InTeRnEt forum....WHO THE FUCK CARES....ABOUT!!!GOOD GRAMMAR!!! man, i will never know why you freggen 'Phd scholars' always, ALWAYS attack people on their grammar, i guess if you have no productive argument, you'll grasp at anything...%^$&*@#$

$1:

Oh so they stopped teaching old traditions? That's the big issue?

not only did they stop teaching old traditions, but the government in all their genocidal wisdom made it illegal for the FN's to practice culturally relevant traditions, potlatch, is one example. Granted this was eventually amended but the damage had been done. I wouldn't expect your eurocentric mind to grasp the extreme importance of the old traditions, being an oral tradition society, those old traditions is how history and culture is passed down through the ages. It would be like a foreign body coming into Canada burning EVERY book, and make reading illegal.

$1:

Here lets try this, when the dominant culture in a nation has smaller nations within them, the dominant culture will try to assimilate, knowingly or not, the smaller ones. This has happened with all immigrant communities.

now this just goes to show that you know NOTHING of the issue you're talking about...one word shows this....'immigrant communities' HELLOOOO WE ARE THE IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY!! the FN's were here FIRST, comparing FN's to immigrants goes to show your lack of knowledge and ignorance to the subject knows no bounds.

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Plus isn't the FN father supposed to tell about the great war dances and songs and shit like that?

aaahhh one more example of how little you know about the subject you are trying to debate, FN cultures are egalitarianism societies, by this, women were/are a wonderfully important part of the society, not put down and discriminated against as in European societies. so to answer your question, not it is not ONLY up to the father to tell of the dances and songs, it is up to the mother just as much if not more.

$1:

I still see no problem with that. The First Nations that STILL exist are still doing the same thing, living piss poor lifestyles, learning no skills or trades to help their community, and instead abusing substances.

man, your ignorance knows no bounds!! still doing the same thing!?! you realize before European contact the FN's were the PICTURE of human PERFECTION - there are countless accounts of conquistadors making comment at the wonderful bodies of the Natives, how they are strong their bodies and minds are compared to sludge sloshing around Europe. we put them on reserves through f*ed treaties, lies and murder, we have oppressed them so, we have put them in a situation of forced dependence on the government.

$1:

Plus, like you said, white women who married in could live on the reserves, while white men cannot. This was probably because that when those Acts were created...MEN did everything job wise and were supposed to support the wife and children.

ugh....again, your ignorance just pains me...the Indian act was introduced in 1867, and it doesn't matter because as i stated before FN communities are egalitarianism societies, men NEVER did everything 'job wise', and your claim to that is drenched in eurocentric thought.

$1:

They should of breed more. Either way, not my problem. If they knew this was happening, they should of done something about it. They didn't. So why exactly are you blaming the government for this?

honestly?....'they should of breed more' you obviously didn't read what i wrote, the inclusion of no FN blood into the pure line has destroyed the blood line, no amount of 'breeding' will purify the blood line.....aaahhhh the call of the ignorant....'not my problem' yah, you keep your head buried in the sand, everyone knows denial and inaction solves all problems

$1:

Oh right, here are your quotes. Excuse me if I make an accurate summary. Oh and the Name of God stuff you were talking about, explain Stalin, Mao, and Hitler, they were not touched by the Hand of God yet they committed more evil then anyone else.

you've made no point here...big surprise...yah not touched by the hand of God...you go ahead and read their literature, i'll bet you a dime to a dollar they mentioned that God was on their side more than once. Dude...NO ONE is 'touched by the hand of god' do you think the creator of everything really gives a shit about our pathetic little lives to intervene in even the smallest way? don't be a church lemming, THINK FOR YOURSELF don't believe the priests.

$1:

All fun and good, but that has nothing to do with how the Church has had a much more critical impact then the First Natives, and they still do have a bigger impact then the First Natives ever will.

the...murder...of...kids...'all fun and good' man, no words....how dare you! you call yourself a Canadian...a man....and you are saying the murder of children is 'ALL FUN AND GOOD'!?!?!?!? what the FUCK is wrong with you!!!! fucking MONSTER.

the only thing the church has had an impact on is the degradation, assimilation and murder of the people they claim have been charged by God (BUUULLLLSHIIITT) to protect. Did the church help shape the democratic system that we live in....noooo
did the idea get taken from the Six Nations Constitution? yeesss, well looks like your idea of FN's not contributing to our society is almost as ridiculous as you calling them First 'Natives'....FN = First NATIONS....but i wouldn't expect you to know that

$1:

many cultures in this land can give alot of examples of injustices by the government. They aren't whining.

man...wow...ok....INDIAN ACT, you heard of....muslem act...um...i don't know, iranian act....governing those groups of people...no...well looks like the severe injustices are UNIQUE to FN's then eh...and yah they aren't wining, you remember when there was talk of bringing in that Sheit muslem law regarding women....and there was serious debate to implement that? they aren't wining because the government is bending over backwards for these freggen idiots who want to f*ck with women in Canada under some f*cked muslem law.

$1:

Yeah...that's what the word COMPENSATION means. You give money for abuses, proven or not. Why are you overblowing this?

guy if you can't see the injustice, the inhumanity in this....different amount of money for how many times they were raped......buddy you have alot of head shaking to do.

here let's sum this up.... you started with a feeble comment on grammar....in an internet forum, followed it by uninformed, eurocentric, and just plane inhumanly disgusting comments 'all fun and good' fuck man i'm still trying to wrap my head around you calling the murder of children 'all fun and good' ugh.

i hope you're young, then you would at least have an excuse for your racism, ignorance and just straight up stupidity in your arguments and comments, fuck man i hope you grow up fast and learn....guh....

[Heavy_Metal]

damn double post