[Newsbot]

Title: Rogers says its internet interference is necessary, but minimal
Category: Tech
Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2008-06-10 19:16:23
Canadian

[Scape]

Like hell. If the post office said they had to open mail to make sure it wasn't contraband they would be rightly rebuked. Internet packets are the same as mail packages.

[herbie]

Not quite, it's more like checking the postal code and sending the ones with T0R E4T to the back of the line until the traffic thins out.

[uwish]

that is exactly what they are doing.

That isn't in their contract, and it isn't what was promised to consumers.

Shaw does the same thing of which I have complained numerous times and as of yet have not received any response.

[Zipperfish]

If Rogers doesn't do it regulators will step in. Hell, regulators will step in anyways. There is nothing a regulator, or an ambitious politician, hates to see more than what they perceive to be an underregualted industry. There's no shortage of regulators and politicians looking for an opportunity to make even more new laws.

As ISPs consolidate, the number of ISPs gets smaller, the average ISP size gets bigger, and regulation over just a few large entities becomes much more feasible. It's much easier to go after the ISPs as opposed to the myriad of web site operators.

Do you have to have a licence to operate as an ISP right now, does anyone know?

[klaatu62]

I don't see a problem:

"No Canadian carrier shall, in relation to the provision of a telecommunications service or the charging of a rate for it, unjustly discriminate or give an undue or unreasonable preference toward any person, including itself, or subject any person to an undue or unreasonable disadvantage."

In this case, everyone is hit the same way. No one has an advantage or disadvantage. Everyone using the connection in a specific way is subject to throttling.


Sec. 36 also says: "Except where the commission approves otherwise, a Canadian carrier shall not control the content or influence the meaning or purpose of telecommunications carried by it for the publi

Here again, the content, meaning, and purpose of the data is not influenced in the least. Just the speed at which it is processed.

Some folks using peer to peer don't realize what they are actually doing. They don't know that when they download a torrent, that torrent, until it is removed from the view of the program, becomes available to others for upload. Folks leaving their PC on 24/7 and having BitTorrent running in background can be uploading major files non stop 24/7. This is a huge resource drain.

Just because your car can do 160Kph does not mean you can go that speed on all roads at all times. While I wish there were unlimitted resources, there are not, so I cannot fault them for this issue. (and NO I am not an employee, I work for a US financial institution and I use Comcast at home where I suffer a much more severe fate for my Torrent usages...!)

[herbie]

No. I own an ISP. We even post a bullshit "Internet Licensing Board permit" once in awhile.
And you better not be hoping consolidation is gonna be of any benefit. The only reason you've been getting a free ride on bandwidth is cuz those big telcos have been using it to steal customers from the independents and lock them into long term contracts. That's what this whole thing's about!
First they used to 'wholesale' to resellers for MORE than they sold to telco end customers.
Then they gave away stuff.
Then they charged the ISPs for every Gig they passed, and didn't charge their direct end customers.
Now they want to throttle the ISPs to put them at a disadvantage.

The minute the independents are all gone, they'll sit down and ALL charge you per Gig.

And think about it, do you really think the $30 a month you pay entitles you to 'unlimited bandwidth'? We got nailed $5000 a month for a T1 only a few years back, and it still had caps.

[Zipperfish]

herbie herbie:

No. I own an ISP. We even post a bullshit "Internet Licensing Board permit" once in awhile.
And you better not be hoping consolidation is gonna be of any benefit. The only reason you've been getting a free ride on bandwidth is cuz those big telcos have been using it to steal customers from the independents and lock them into long term contracts. That's what this whole thing's about!
First they used to 'wholesale' to resellers for MORE than they sold to telco end customers.
Then they gave away stuff.
Then they charged the ISPs for every Gig they passed, and didn't charge their direct end customers.
Now they want to throttle the ISPs to put them at a disadvantage.

The minute the independents are all gone, they'll sit down and ALL charge you per Gig.

And think about it, do you really think the $30 a month you pay entitles you to 'unlimited bandwidth'? We got nailed $5000 a month for a T1 only a few years back, and it still had caps.

No I don't thnk consoldiation is good thing for the consumer. It creates a hegemony, whihc means higher prices adn less servcie for the end user. But it is an economic reality as barriers to entry increase.

[acidcomplex]

klaatu62 klaatu62:

I don't see a problem:

"No Canadian carrier shall, in relation to the provision of a telecommunications service or the charging of a rate for it, unjustly discriminate or give an undue or unreasonable preference toward any person, including itself, or subject any person to an undue or unreasonable disadvantage."

In this case, everyone is hit the same way. No one has an advantage or disadvantage. Everyone using the connection in a specific way is subject to throttling.

Well no IF everyone in the world did this then your right,but when only some companies do it then yeah it is discriminate.

klaatu62 klaatu62:

Sec. 36 also says: "Except where the commission approves otherwise, a Canadian carrier shall not control the content or influence the meaning or purpose of telecommunications carried by it for the publi

Here again, the content, meaning, and purpose of the data is not influenced in the least. Just the speed at which it is processed.

Im pretty sure slowing down the speed falls under "influence the meaning or purpose of telecommunications carried by it for the public".If i am trying to download a huge file from work for a presentation I need to do and you slow me down, your "influenceing the purpose of telecommunications"

klaatu62 klaatu62:

Some folks using peer to peer don't realize what they are actually doing. They don't know that when they download a torrent, that torrent, until it is removed from the view of the program, becomes available to others for upload. Folks leaving their PC on 24/7 and having BitTorrent running in background can be uploading major files non stop 24/7. This is a huge resource drain.

Yeah its called setting an upload limit, although the companies are doing that, the point is that I should be the one to make that choice.