[HyperionTheEvil]

angler57 angler57:

Mustang1 Mustang1:

angler57 angler57:

Still at it.
Gosh, you folks are still proving a million ways to disprove religions? Will ask again? Only recieved a couple answers last time. What makes so many, so desperate to crush the personal beliefs of others.
Please don't use that OLD conspiracy saw. It doesn't wash.
WHAT DO YOU FOLKS FEAR????????? Courage now. Please tell us.

What do you assume it's "fear"? Projection? People are entitled to their beliefs - but that doesn't mean they are true. History is full of religions...full of belief systems...and full of subjective worldviews that have lasted significantly long times (only to be subjected to a rather Hegelian process), but that doesn't mean they're correct. In fact, if history is any indication, most faiths don't last. Please tell us why.

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Christian, Jewish, muslim, many from the east and orient. Have been around a VErrrrrrrrrry long time. They are still here. One fact runs thru history.
The more mens beliefs are questioned, the more strongly they are held.
Plainnn that?

I don't care what you believe, but if you try to ram religion down people's throats as history also shows, that people turn against said religion. Especially since the one who are commanding people not to sin are as bad as the one's who are victim to religions 'lofty' ideal of 'compassion'

Some examples

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusade
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ch ... t_scandals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ch ... rd.2C_2006
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Haggard


And the list goes on and on

[2Cdo]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Yes you have and not only that you have referred to them all as pig fuckers and pedophiles and I called you on that very thing. While I despise christianity I don't attack the people the way you and others do and I certainly don't hold the violent beliefs you and others do.

I'd really like to see some proof, or is this more of you talking out your ass.

$1:

If you had in fact ever learned to read properly you'll note that a long time ago I favoured a cooperation between the Libs and CPC until Harper showed his true colours. As of the past few years I have also repeatedly favoured both a merger and coalition with the NDP and posted criteria that would cause me to switch, criteria that the CPC would never ever meet. I've also posted that just because the Greens don't win a seat they still have good ideas and deserve input.

OTOH several Libs on this forum have stated that any formal coalition with the NDP will cause them to rip up their card. That doesn't make them party hacks though just exposes your ignorance.

But not you. Also any coalition you would suppport would be along strictly Liberal party lines, thus not really a coalition.

$1:

Argument lost when name calling was resorted too.

It wasn't an argument but a statement. Nice try from the guy who claims to be oh so smart.

[DerbyX]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

I'd really like to see some proof, or is this more of you talking out your ass.

Like when you said "A women for children, a boy for pleasure and a goat for ectasy. That says it all about islam"? Remember that? How about agreeing with Bart when he posted that all muslim moderates who don't preach violence aren't in fact real muslims and therefore he was correct in saying all muslims want violence?

Really your sentiments on islam and all its muslim adherents are well established.

2Cdo 2Cdo:

But not you. Also any coalition you would suppport would be along strictly Liberal party lines, thus not really a coalition.

Too bad you are talking out of your ass since I have posted loads about how the NDP deserves a voice as well as the Greens. The Libs have much more support yes so they'll obviously have policy reflecting that but I have certainly posted much more support for the NDP then many other Libs and given that you and the con hacks consider anything at all from any other party as crap (listen to what you guys say about Layton, May, and any Lib leader) you are a hypocrite for trying to say somebody else is a vote only hack.

2Cdo 2Cdo:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Argument lost when name calling was resorted too.

It wasn't an argument but a statement. Nice try from the guy who claims to be oh so smart.

Don't you hate it when your own words are used against you. On yer bike sunshine.

[Mustang1]

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Christian, Jewish, muslim, many from the east and orient. Have been around a VErrrrrrrrrry long time. They are still here. One fact runs thru history.
The more mens beliefs are questioned, the more strongly they are held.
Plainnn that?

I guess my question remains beyond your rather limited knowledge base (and weren't you the one chastising others for dodging? Rich.)

And historical terms, it's actually relative in terms of time and besides, my esteemed chum, if these religions are in fact, been around for a long time, why haven't they maintained all of their belief tenets? And, pray tell, why have some religions died off or evolved or been shaped by contemporary forces? More have become historical footnotes than survived. "Plainnn that" one.

$1:

The more mens beliefs are questioned, the more strongly they are held.
Plainnn that?

In some cases, ignorance.

[angler57]

Is there something the wife and I have missed about Canadians. All we have meant have a civil mouth and do not spout the words used in your post. Have I misunderstood the purpose of this very interesting forum?
Showing hate or contempt for others is common practice.

If something upsets you, curses and insults roll out of your minds.
And you claim knowledge and truth by spouting curses and insults.
CURSES. INSULTS. That about covers your truths.
Subject becomes lost in all the discontent.
It is my friends, possible to object to the views of others without your tasteless behavior.
Could it be you are just WRONG?
Science as religion are necessary for man to grow and flourish. discounting either is to lessen the entire from my point of view.
You are perfectly entitled to your views and behavior.
No one has said otherwise. Who are you disagreeing with?

Will arrive by Pelee ferry in Leamington June 22/24. Hope to visit Sarnia,
Stratford, Orangeville, maybe Parry Sound. Tobermory and Manitoulin Island and the Soo.

[Mustang1]

angler57 angler57:

Is there something the wife and I have missed about Canadians. All we have meant have a civil mouth and do not spout the words used in your post. Have I misunderstood the purpose of this very interesting forum?
Showing hate or contempt for others is common practice.

Gimme a break - you insult with aplomb, issue condescending remarks and dodge questions all the time. Your hypocrisy is well noted and now apparently, all you can do is cry victim? Please.

$1:

If something upsets you, curses and insults roll out of your minds.

H-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e. Want proof? I noticed in your little self-righteous rant you conveniently omitted that. Interesting.

$1:

And you claim knowledge and truth by spouting curses and insults.

Are they both exclusive?

$1:

CURSES. INSULTS. That about covers your truths.

Says the guy who posts, "So much for freedom of speech. And thought." Practice what you preach.

$1:

Subject becomes lost in all the discontent.

Says the guy who just posted with no subject matter.

$1:

It is my friends, possible to object to the views of others without your tasteless behavior.

"Tasteless behavior" sounds a lot like a....wait for it...INSULT! Nice move.

$1:

Could it be you are just WRONG?

By all means demonstrate it.

$1:

Science as religion are necessary for man to grow and flourish. discounting either is to lessen the entire from my point of view.

Science isn't based on faith. Don't believe me? Jump off your house and see if you float.

$1:

You are perfectly entitled to your views and behavior.

And yet you rant and rail against this.

[angler57]

The topic is, Science will win over religion, says Hawkings.

[Brenda]

Will apples ever win over oranges?

[Mustang1]

angler57 angler57:

The topic is, Science will win over religion, says Hawkings.

Thanks for the update, and as already stated, history has demonstrated that religions evolve, fail and begin anew, so why would this time be any different?

[angler57]

Brenda Brenda:

Will apples ever win over oranges?

Heck no. Well yes. Don't really know. So much food and I am an ole man. Decisions!
Apple pie like Mum used to make, wonderful. An after meal gotta have.
Breakfast, fresh butter and orange jam spread over hot toast and a cup of coffee.
Don't get no better than that?
Of course there is always strawberrys and short cake and peach cobbler and
Pardon us, have to slip into the kitchen for a fresh plum.

[Gunnair]

angler57 angler57:

Is there something the wife and I have missed about Canadians. All we have meant have a civil mouth and do not spout the words used in your post. Have I misunderstood the purpose of this very interesting forum?
Showing hate or contempt for others is common practice.

If something upsets you, curses and insults roll out of your minds.
And you claim knowledge and truth by spouting curses and insults.
CURSES. INSULTS. That about covers your truths.
Subject becomes lost in all the discontent.
It is my friends, possible to object to the views of others without your tasteless behavior.
Could it be you are just WRONG?
Science as religion are necessary for man to grow and flourish. discounting either is to lessen the entire from my point of view.
You are perfectly entitled to your views and behavior.
No one has said otherwise. Who are you disagreeing with?

Will arrive by Pelee ferry in Leamington June 22/24. Hope to visit Sarnia,
Stratford, Orangeville, maybe Parry Sound. Tobermory and Manitoulin Island and the Soo.

Hmmm.

I should join an American forum, post something, dislike the response, then quickly make broad and sweeping generalizations about all Americans.

[ShepherdsDog]

angler57 angler57:

Is there something the wife and I have missed about Canadians. All we have meant have a civil mouth and do not spout the words used in your post. Have I misunderstood the purpose of this very interesting forum?
Showing hate or contempt for others is common practice.

If something upsets you, curses and insults roll out of your minds.
And you claim knowledge and truth by spouting curses and insults.
CURSES. INSULTS. That about covers your truths.
Subject becomes lost in all the discontent.
It is my friends, possible to object to the views of others without your tasteless behavior.
Could it be you are just WRONG?
Science as religion are necessary for man to grow and flourish. discounting either is to lessen the entire from my point of view.
You are perfectly entitled to your views and behavior.
No one has said otherwise. Who are you disagreeing with?

Will arrive by Pelee ferry in Leamington June 22/24. Hope to visit Sarnia,
Stratford, Orangeville, maybe Parry Sound. Tobermory and Manitoulin Island and the Soo.

[HyperionTheEvil]

angler57 angler57:

Is there something the wife and I have missed about Canadians. All we have meant have a civil mouth and do not spout the words used in your post. Have I misunderstood the purpose of this very interesting forum?
Showing hate or contempt for others is common practice.

If something upsets you, curses and insults roll out of your minds.
And you claim knowledge and truth by spouting curses and insults.
CURSES. INSULTS. That about covers your truths.
Subject becomes lost in all the discontent.
It is my friends, possible to object to the views of others without your tasteless behavior.
Could it be you are just WRONG?
Science as religion are necessary for man to grow and flourish. discounting either is to lessen the entire from my point of view.
You are perfectly entitled to your views and behavior.
No one has said otherwise. Who are you disagreeing with?

Will arrive by Pelee ferry in Leamington June 22/24. Hope to visit Sarnia,
Stratford, Orangeville, maybe Parry Sound. Tobermory and Manitoulin Island and the Soo.

Religion is not necessary for human growth, in fact religion has been an active agent in the attempt to reduce or restrict scientific knowledge. You point of view your certainly entitled to have, but when you think your entitled to press your point of view onto the public as whole because of your religion, that's where the pleasant chatter stops and you have to start producing evidence of this god of yours

[PostFactum]

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

angler57 angler57:

Is there something the wife and I have missed about Canadians. All we have meant have a civil mouth and do not spout the words used in your post. Have I misunderstood the purpose of this very interesting forum?
Showing hate or contempt for others is common practice.

If something upsets you, curses and insults roll out of your minds.
And you claim knowledge and truth by spouting curses and insults.
CURSES. INSULTS. That about covers your truths.
Subject becomes lost in all the discontent.
It is my friends, possible to object to the views of others without your tasteless behavior.
Could it be you are just WRONG?
Science as religion are necessary for man to grow and flourish. discounting either is to lessen the entire from my point of view.
You are perfectly entitled to your views and behavior.
No one has said otherwise. Who are you disagreeing with?

Will arrive by Pelee ferry in Leamington June 22/24. Hope to visit Sarnia,
Stratford, Orangeville, maybe Parry Sound. Tobermory and Manitoulin Island and the Soo.

Religion is not necessary for human growth, in fact religion has been an active agent in the attempt to reduce or restrict scientific knowledge. You point of view your certainly entitled to have, but when you think your entitled to press your point of view onto the public as whole because of your religion, that's where the pleasant chatter stops and you have to start producing evidence of this god of yours

No, it's necessary. First forms of religion were trying to understand world. In phylosophy the definite it like "instrument of world understanding". Without religion humanity would not have a law system, because as we can see in african folks - religion consists of some rules and believes of this. Some disciplines will be not discovered, life of some countries will be not like that. Human rights will be never discovered and the human won't be a "1-st place valuable" in democracy countries.

[HyperionTheEvil]

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HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

angler57 angler57:

Is there something the wife and I have missed about Canadians. All we have meant have a civil mouth and do not spout the words used in your post. Have I misunderstood the purpose of this very interesting forum?
Showing hate or contempt for others is common practice.

If something upsets you, curses and insults roll out of your minds.
And you claim knowledge and truth by spouting curses and insults.
CURSES. INSULTS. That about covers your truths.
Subject becomes lost in all the discontent.
It is my friends, possible to object to the views of others without your tasteless behavior.
Could it be you are just WRONG?
Science as religion are necessary for man to grow and flourish. discounting either is to lessen the entire from my point of view.
You are perfectly entitled to your views and behavior.
No one has said otherwise. Who are you disagreeing with?

Will arrive by Pelee ferry in Leamington June 22/24. Hope to visit Sarnia,
Stratford, Orangeville, maybe Parry Sound. Tobermory and Manitoulin Island and the Soo.

Religion is not necessary for human growth, in fact religion has been an active agent in the attempt to reduce or restrict scientific knowledge. You point of view your certainly entitled to have, but when you think your entitled to press your point of view onto the public as whole because of your religion, that's where the pleasant chatter stops and you have to start producing evidence of this god of yours

No, it's necessary. First forms of religion were trying to understand world. In phylosophy the definite it like "instrument of world understanding". Without religion humanity would not have a law system, because as we can see in african folks - religion consists of some rules and believes of this. Some disciplines will be not discovered, life of some countries will be not like that. Human rights will be never discovered and the human won't be a "1-st place valuable" in democracy countries.

Actually no it's not

The time that you are talking about goes back literally now to when we were evolving in the Homo Sapiens. Those beings who were our progenitors looked back then on such simple things ( As we see them now) as the why we have day and night (The earth's rotation) Winter and Summer (The Earth's orbit),the Tides (The Moon's orbit). They wondered about such things perhaps but say thirty thousand years ago there was no christianity or really any religion that we can discover. It was a bare subsistence life

All of these things were at one time or another ascribed to deities, the Sun God the Moon God etc etc. Christianity is not the first religion to use "God of the Gaps" it is however one of the more truculent. The Romans, the Greeks, Persians, Hindus etc etc all developed extravagant. And more often than not often promoted by the rulers of said countries. Because 5,ooo years ago it was useful for getting people to obey, and to not demand accountability, human rights and human dignity.
The 'gods' of the Ancient Romans and the 'gods' of the christians are no different in that they were useful tools and no more


The development of laws was as much evolutionary as we have been. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that unless you and your neighbors agree to live to together peaceably that you all are going to have to subscribe the same set of. Those rules came about because of the understanding of enlightened self-interest

Ergo what helps my neighbor also helps me and what hurts my neighbor also hurts me. As societies became larger and more complex those very basic rules still give us a basis for common law, we didn't need a mythical priests of a mythical Space Daddy telling us what to do and when