[Proculation]

That's why the government should stay out of economy

[Bibbi]

Bibbi Bibbi:

Proculation Proculation:

Found that:

Government intervention in the economy is not the problem per se, but more the case that the government does NOT know HOW to intervene in the economy efficiently, effectively, and successfully.

Obama in the U.S. may be more successful, simply because he has a lot more knowledge and economic expertise backing up his plans. Unfortunately I don't think that in Canada, the Conservatives or the Liberals know what they are doing.

[mtbr]

Bibbi Bibbi:

Bibbi Bibbi:

Proculation Proculation:

Found that:

Government intervention in the economy is not the problem per se, but more the case that the government does NOT know HOW to intervene in the economy efficiently, effectively, and successfully.

Obama in the U.S. may be more successful, simply because he has a lot more knowledge and economic expertise backing up his plans. Unfortunately I don't think that in Canada, the Conservatives or the Liberals know what they are doing.

really?

http://www.canadaka.net/link.php?id=41209

Democratic and Republican Senators spoke out against the spending included in the bill when making appearances on various TV newsmagazine programs on Sunday.

[Bibbi]

From Bibbi:
Government intervention in the economy is not the problem per se, but more the case that the government does NOT know HOW to intervene in the economy efficiently, effectively, and successfully.

Obama in the U.S. may be more successful, simply because he has a lot more knowledge and economic expertise backing up his plans. Unfortunately I don't think that in Canada, the Conservatives or the Liberals know what they are doing.
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From mtbr:

really?

http://www.canadaka.net/link.php?id=41209

Democratic and Republican Senators spoke out against the spending included in the bill when making appearances on various TV newsmagazine programs on Sunday.[/quote] Mtbr

Bibbi:
Well, I guess these stimulus bills are becoming omnibus bills which creates all kinds of problems. It would certainly be nice if politicians would stick to one issue at a time and related to a stimulus bill make it tightly focused on maximum bang for the taxpayer buck. It seems that this is not happening in Canada or the U.S. if that article is accurate.

[Arctic_Menace]

What really needs to happen is truly massive/exuberant spending in infrastructure. Canada's is falling apart, and needs to be fixed urgently. I honestly don't think $7 Billion is even close to being enough. With a situation as dire as this we should be spending on the economy as much as we are spending on Healthcare or some other comparable program.

[Proculation]

Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:

What really needs to happen is truly massive/exuberant spending in infrastructure. Canada's is falling apart, and needs to be fixed urgently. I honestly don't think $7 Billion is even close to being enough. With a situation as dire as this we should be spending on the economy as much as we are spending on Healthcare or some other comparable program.

[Arctic_Menace]

Yes, I already saw that. The fact still remains that our infrastructure is crumbling and $7 Billion is nowhere near enough.

[Bibbi]

Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:

What really needs to happen is truly massive/exuberant spending in infrastructure. Canada's is falling apart, and needs to be fixed urgently. I honestly don't think $7 Billion is even close to being enough. With a situation as dire as this we should be spending on the economy as much as we are spending on Healthcare or some other comparable program.

Ifrastructure is supposed to provide good return in jobs for money spent but the problem is the structure. The federal government is matching funds from both the province and the municipality. The municipality however has no funds available. After the bailout of the auto industry, I would suspect that Ontario has little or nothing to match in infrastructure spending either. If the money does not get matched then I suspect that the projects won't get approved and if the projects aren't approved then whatever amount the federal government has put toward infrastructure probably won't get spent.

That being the case, why is the impression present, that the only real expenditures will go toward tax cuts which has always the ideological agenda of the Conservatives all along.

[Proculation]

I agree [1] . But, it has nothing to do with the economy.


[1] I live in Montreal and the Pont Champlain is falling apart.

[Proculation]

Bibbi Bibbi:

Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:

What really needs to happen is truly massive/exuberant spending in infrastructure. Canada's is falling apart, and needs to be fixed urgently. I honestly don't think $7 Billion is even close to being enough. With a situation as dire as this we should be spending on the economy as much as we are spending on Healthcare or some other comparable program.

Ifrastructure is supposed to provide good return in jobs for money spent but the problem is the structure. The federal government is matching funds from both the province and the municipality. The municipality however has no funds available. After the bailout of the auto industry, I would suspect that Ontario has little or nothing to match in infrastructure spending either. If the money does not get matched then I suspect that the projects won't get approved and if the projects aren't approved then whatever amount the federal government has put toward infrastructure probably won't get spent.

That being the case, why is the impression present, that the only real expenditures will go toward tax cuts which has always the ideological agenda of the Conservatives all along.

You have to understand that 3 pillars of the government: Federal, Provincial and Municipalies.

Here in Montreal, there's the aqueduct that is failing every day. I think that from the beginning of the year, at least 20 pipelines failed. Is that the problem of the federal ?

No.

[Bibbi]

Proculation Proculation:

That's why the government should stay out of economy

No, lack of regulation means more poisoned water a la Harris, more poisoned meat a la the Liberals, and more poisoning of the environment by all the politicians.
Then of course, the auto industry meltdown was also partly due to the government staying out of the economy too. If governments had made previous loans to industries under tight conditions for mandated changes and improvements perhaps our industries would be more competitive.

The private sector has screwed up royally in both the U.S. and Canada. That has caused this meltdown. The government staying out of the economy has NOT WORKED.
Now the government has to learn how to get into and regulate it better. They may not be successful, but there are no other visible options.

[fifeboy]

RUEZ RUEZ:

On the road to recovery? Nice try. We are far from it.

But, but, but ....we got Steve on our side, it's gotta go well!


Nice pussy, eh!

[Bibbi]

Proculation Proculation:

Bibbi Bibbi:

Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:

What really needs to happen is truly massive/exuberant spending in infrastructure. Canada's is falling apart, and needs to be fixed urgently. I honestly don't think $7 Billion is even close to being enough. With a situation as dire as this we should be spending on the economy as much as we are spending on Healthcare or some other comparable program.

Ifrastructure is supposed to provide good return in jobs for money spent but the problem is the structure. The federal government is matching funds from both the province and the municipality. The municipality however has no funds available. After the bailout of the auto industry, I would suspect that Ontario has little or nothing to match in infrastructure spending either. If the money does not get matched then I suspect that the projects won't get approved and if the projects aren't approved then whatever amount the federal government has put toward infrastructure probably won't get spent.

That being the case, why is the impression present, that the only real expenditures will go toward tax cuts which has always the ideological agenda of the Conservatives all along.

You have to understand that 3 pillars of the government: Federal, Provincial and Municipalies.

Here in Montreal, there's the aqueduct that is failing every day. I think that from the beginning of the year, at least 20 pipelines failed. Is that the problem of the federal ?

No.

Yes, it is. The problem is our tax setup. One economist said that the priority for every Canadian is the local needs of his/her community because that is what most affects him/her. Second in terms of priority is the province and third is the country. Therefore money should be distributed upwards from municipality to province to country rather than downwards from country to province to municipality. The weakness in the downward distribution is that the municipality NEVER has and NEVER will have the money to repair and improve infrastructure and yet if Canada's cities FAIL, then so does the country.

[PluggyRug]

fifeboy fifeboy:

RUEZ RUEZ:

On the road to recovery? Nice try. We are far from it.

But, but, but ....we got Steve on our side, it's gotta go well!


Nice pussy, eh!

He would prefer the cats, rather than have some bogus coalition clawing his trouser legs.

[RUEZ]

fifeboy fifeboy:

RUEZ RUEZ:

On the road to recovery? Nice try. We are far from it.

But, but, but ....we got Steve on our side, it's gotta go well!

Why? because he can control the world economies?