[BeaverFever]

Depends how you want to define those terms.

For example, Islamists have "strong social values", they're just bad ones. Likewise, Conservatives have "strong social values" which include execution, torture, and jailing people for long periods for trivial amounts of drugs or even life sentence for stealing a slice of pizza

[stratos]

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For example, Islamists have "strong social values", they're just bad ones.

Agreed

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Likewise, Conservatives have "strong social values" which include execution

I'm actually in favor of the death penalty so no issue there for me.

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and jailing people for long periods for trivial amounts of drugs

Total agreement with you there. Some people from the 60's and 70's were still in jail for a joint while murders were set free. Pisses me off. Yet this was and still is being done by both the left and right.

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life sentence for stealing a slice of pizza

Thanks for the link had not heard about this case before.

[BeaverFever]

Better story is here:

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Cruel and Unusual Punishment: The Shame of Three Strikes Laws
While Wall Street crooks walk, thousands sit in California prisons for life over crimes as trivial as stealing socks

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/ne ... s-20130327

[BartSimpson]

You know, if you're a two-striker then it's probably not a good idea to steal socks.

Sorry, no sympathy from me for unrepentant career criminals.

[BeaverFever]

That's exactly what the Islamists would say. No sense of proportionality and black-and-white "rules are rules" thinking. When some mullah is officiating a stoning or amputation, they make the same arguments you do: the accused knew the rules and the punishment beforehand and we have no sympathy for him. You guys have more in common that you think.

So, setting aside the fact that you think 2 petty crimes as a teenager plus lifting $2.50 pair of socks decades later should result in a life sentence....

I don't know why you conservatives insist on making policy contingent on your personal sympathy for the individual involved. Every time there 's a 'crime blotter' story on here your group is quick to declare that you have "no sympathy" for the accused and hence no interest in that person receiving due process or justice. What you don't get is whether or not you have sympathy should have nothing to do with it. Nothing. Your world is one in which the law is subjectively applied depending on whether or not you like the accused. That's a scary dystopian undemocratic world I am happy not to live in.

But hey you want to bleed your tax dollars dry locking up sock thieves have at it. You're just becoming another failed state.

[Thanos]

stratos stratos:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

I'm a progressive athiest, I would never endorse religious practices or conservative traditions and rituals. In fact they quite annoy me.

So strong free-market economic policies, strong defense and strong social values annoy you?

Crony capitalism that's murdering the middle class, wars for entirely bogus reasons, and hate-filled moral panics deliberately created by feet-of-clay religious hypocrites should annoy every remaining decent person out there. I have no time for liberals, their insane political correctness, and their big-spending cures for everything. As soon as I see the word 'conservative' parked in front of something though? At that moment I'm 100% certain I'm being lied to by the best hucksters at the carnival.

[N_Fiddledog]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

And it was Christians killing Muslims. Double wow.

OK, you lost me way back there on the first page.

I admit, I know little about this particular conflict, although I'm about to learn more, because it looks interesting.

So are you saying whatever Christians were involved in this conflict were claiming some sort of religious authorization or imprimatur in the same way as say, ISIS or Al Qaida or Boko Harem etc. does?

I don't get that. I wiki-ed the guy the article pointed it's finger at - Ratko Mladic.

They tell me:

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Ratko Mladić (Serbian Cyrillic: Ратко Младић, pronounced [râtko mlǎːdit͡ɕ]; born 12 March 1942)[1][2][3] is a former Bosnian Serb military leader accused of committing war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide. On 31 May 2011, Mladić was extradited to The Hague, where he was processed at the detention center that holds suspects for the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY).[4] His trial formally began in the Hague on 16 May 2012...

A long-time member of the League of Communists of Yugoslavia, Mladić began his career in the Yugoslav People's Army in 1965 and had an undistinguished career until the outbreak of the Yugoslav Wars in 1991.[18][19]

[BartSimpson]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

So, setting aside the fact that you think 2 petty crimes as a teenager plus lifting $2.50 pair of socks decades later should result in a life sentence....

To qualify for the Three Strikes sentencing the first two offenses have to be violent felonies that occur in separate convictions.

At that point a subsequent conviction for even a non-violent felony can result in a life sentence.

Like I said, if anyone is stupid enough to commit a crime like stealing a pair of socks all while knowing they can end up in jail for life...well, then they probably need to be in jail.

[martin14]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

So, setting aside the fact that you think 2 petty crimes as a teenager plus lifting $2.50 pair of socks decades later should result in a life sentence....

To qualify for the Three Strikes sentencing the first two offenses have to be violent felonies that occur in separate convictions.

At that point a subsequent conviction for even a non-violent felony can result in a life sentence.

Like I said, if anyone is stupid enough to commit a crime like stealing a pair of socks all while knowing they can end up in jail for life...well, then they probably need to be in jail.

Bart, stop confusing BF with facts and truth, it's not his fault he's having one of his days.

[BeaverFever]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

So, setting aside the fact that you think 2 petty crimes as a teenager plus lifting $2.50 pair of socks decades later should result in a life sentence....

To qualify for the Three Strikes sentencing the first two offenses have to be violent felonies that occur in separate convictions.

At that point a subsequent conviction for even a non-violent felony can result in a life sentence.

Like I said, if anyone is stupid enough to commit a crime like stealing a pair of socks all while knowing they can end up in jail for life...well, then they probably need to be in jail.

No they don't have to be violent. In fact most are non-violent. You didn't read the article. Most of the felonies were homeless/mentally ill and drug-related convictions.

[martin14]

Only in Commiefornia...

[BartSimpson]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

No they don't have to be violent. In fact most are non-violent. You didn't read the article. Most of the felonies were homeless/mentally ill and drug-related convictions.

The third strike can be a non-violent felony. The first two have to be violent.

Meaning the guy who ends up permanent level two in CDCR belongs there.

[BeaverFever]

No all strikes can be non violent. Read man, read!!!

[andyt]

What about the rape camps, where Christians were raping Muslims. Anybody go to jail for that?

[CharlesAnthony]

This is just a charade on the part of the current political-prostitutes running Serbia right now. They want free money from the EU and they are willing to sell out and kill honest Serbs to get it.

From the article:

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Eager to join EU

Many Serbs still view as heroes their wartime leaders — including Mladic and former Bosnian Serb President Radovan Karadzic, who are on trial at the UN war crimes tribunal — and believe they were victims of a Western plot.

That is it. The Hague is an international kangaroo court.

The "civil" war of Yugoslavia was a foreign plot to get closer to Russia and to rape the Southern Slavs of their resources. They succeeded. The place has turned into a dependent shit hole on its way to third world status operated by gangsters.
It was started by foreign mercenaries who dressed up like traditional Serb and Croat warriors to create the rivalry.

Milosevic knew it and before he had a chance to testify at The Hague, they poisoned him dead in his cell. Any man with half a brain and at least 1 of his balls can see the Western story is pure lies.
The same thing is going on in the Ukraine. Wash, rinse, repeat, run away with the people's gold and leave brothers to kill brothers.

stratos stratos:

I'm still waiting for the massive outcry of Muslims around the world condemning these terrorist acts.

Yet I'm sure some here will not see let alone understand the distinction.

You are waiting for AroundTheWorldMuslims to condemn the killing of BosnianMuslims for genocide they did not commit??

Am I understanding you right??