[Zipperfish]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Ain't the Union Of Soviet Socialist Regions or what we used to call BC, grand.

When you can arbitrarily make the rules like this Government, there seems to be a strong tendency to forget about rights, due process and justice.

I guess Campbells next step will be the Black Maria's arriving in the night to pick up dissenting members of the population. Although it should be fun to see Carole James dragged away kicking and screaming and put in the back of a blacked out Grand Caravan.

The one that bugs me is that some punk doing a "gas'n'go" ran over a gas station attendant last year. Next thing you know Gordo is trotting out the dead kid's mom and we've got a new law that you have to pay for gas in advance. Which means I have to go in the station beforehand, guess how much gas the vehicle needs (and I drive several vehicles) and hope for the best. Sometimes I have to go back and get them to refund some money which takes even more time. Major hassle everytime I want to gas up.

Everytime I'm in line waiting I think to myself how I'd run that goddamn kid down myself and his mom for the headaches they caused me.

[andyt]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Everytime I'm in line waiting I think to myself how I'd run that goddamn kid down myself and his mom for the headaches they caused me.

Wow, I think you've lost your mind.

Pay at the pump. Problem solved. No one gets hurt.

Pre-pay was all the rule when I lived in the States. Not because some nanny state told them to, but because the owners were tired of being ripped off. And they don't fool around down there. I did an inadvertent gas and dash, at the gas station where I always went, and the cops were at my door almost before I got home. Followed me to the gas station to make sure I paid.

[Chumley]

Yogi Yogi:

Seems to me that a taxi cab would be a helluvalotcheaper and less hassle! How could anyone possibly be against any attempts to curtail impaired driving???

If you use all the taxis to take the suspected drunk drivers to the station, then all the drunks waiting for taxis outside the bar will eventually get sick of waiting and drive home.

[Yogi]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Ain't the Union Of Soviet Socialist Regions or what we used to call BC, grand.

When you can arbitrarily make the rules like this Government, there seems to be a strong tendency to forget about rights, due process and justice.

I guess Campbells next step will be the Black Maria's arriving in the night to pick up dissenting members of the population. Although it should be fun to see Carole James dragged away kicking and screaming and put in the back of a blacked out Grand Caravan.

The one that bugs me is that some punk doing a "gas'n'go" ran over a gas station attendant last year. Next thing you know Gordo is trotting out the dead kid's mom and we've got a new law that you have to pay for gas in advance. Which means I have to go in the station beforehand, guess how much gas the vehicle needs (and I drive several vehicles) and hope for the best. Sometimes I have to go back and get them to refund some money which takes even more time. Major hassle everytime I want to gas up.

Everytime I'm in line waiting I think to myself how I'd run that goddamn kid down myself and his mom for the headaches they caused me.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Zipperfish]

andyt andyt:

Wow, I think you've lost your mind.

Pay at the pump. Problem solved. No one gets hurt.

I should have mnentioned--I have a work card for gas that the pay-at-the-pump doesn't read.

It's a completely retarded over-reaction law. But it's only symptomatic--there's a hundred others just like it. For this latest 0.05 law they were trotting out the dead kid's moms by the dozen. Maybe it's a little harsh, but myself, I wouldn't whore my grief out on national TV.

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[Yogi]

Chumley Chumley:

Yogi Yogi:

Seems to me that a taxi cab would be a helluvalotcheaper and less hassle! How could anyone possibly be against any attempts to curtail impaired driving???

If you use all the taxis to take the suspected drunk drivers to the station, then all the drunks waiting for taxis outside the bar will eventually get sick of waiting and drive home.

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Any attempt, by anyone, to try to justify, support or defend driving after consuming alcohol/drugs is patently lame!

[andyt]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

andyt andyt:

Wow, I think you've lost your mind.

Pay at the pump. Problem solved. No one gets hurt.

I should have mnentioned--I have a work card for gas that the pay-at-the-pump doesn't read.

It's a completely retarded over-reaction law. But it's only symptomatic--there's a hundred others just like it. For this latest 0.05 law they were trotting out the dead kid's moms by the dozen. Maybe it's a little harsh, but myself, I wouldn't whore my grief out on national TV.

It's pretty harsh. She's not whoring her grief out, she's not getting paid for it. She thinks she's doing good to prevent what happened to her son happening again. Right or wrong.

As I say, if you lived in the States you'd have to deal with it, and the nanny state would not have been involved. Just makes good business sense in the land of the free.

[Zipperfish]

andyt andyt:

It's pretty harsh. She's not whoring her grief out, she's not getting paid for it. She thinks she's doing good to prevent what happened to her son happening again. Right or wrong.

As I say, if you lived in the States you'd have to deal with it, and the nanny state would not have been involved. Just makes good business sense in the land of the free.

She's getting what she wants out of it--a law with her dead kid's name attached. Don't mix this up with business sense. This issue could easily have been handled through good business sense. Good business sense is you don't stand in front of a car peeling out for a getaway. Good business sense is that you have a camera record the licence of the vehicle.

And yes it's harsh, but I'm really getting sick of hand-wringing mommy state proponents telling me "But if it saves just one life..."

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

The one that bugs me is that some punk doing a "gas'n'go" ran over a gas station attendant last year. Next thing you know Gordo is trotting out the dead kid's mom and we've got a new law that you have to pay for gas in advance. Which means I have to go in the station beforehand, guess how much gas the vehicle needs (and I drive several vehicles) and hope for the best. Sometimes I have to go back and get them to refund some money which takes even more time. Major hassle everytime I want to gas up.

Everytime I'm in line waiting I think to myself how I'd run that goddamn kid down myself and his mom for the headaches they caused me.

The thing is Zip, with the rash of gas'n'dashes, a LOT of gas stations were doing that already.
While pay in advance is inevitable, I agree that making it gov't legislated is pointless.

[andyt]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

andyt andyt:

It's pretty harsh. She's not whoring her grief out, she's not getting paid for it. She thinks she's doing good to prevent what happened to her son happening again. Right or wrong.

As I say, if you lived in the States you'd have to deal with it, and the nanny state would not have been involved. Just makes good business sense in the land of the free.

She's getting what she wants out of it--a law with her dead kid's name attached. Don't mix this up with business sense. This issue could easily have been handled through good business sense. Good business sense is you don't stand in front of a car peeling out for a getaway. Good business sense is that you have a camera record the licence of the vehicle.

And yes it's harsh, but I'm really getting sick of hand-wringing mommy state proponents telling me "But if it saves just one life..."

The kid stood in front of the car because the owner of the gas station had the good business sense to make him responsible for any gas and dashes, and the good business senses not to spend money on a camera 'cause he wasn't losing money, his emploees were.

They seem to have more sense in the US - as I say, there it's hard to find a gas station that doesn't make you pre-pay. Even before they had pay at the pump. Life went on.

[Zipperfish]

andyt andyt:

The kid stood in front of the car because the owner of the gas station had the good business sense to make him responsible for any gas and dashes, and the good business senses not to spend money on a camera 'cause he wasn't losing money, his emploees were.

They seem to have more sense in the US - as I say, there it's hard to find a gas station that doesn't make you pre-pay. Even before they had pay at the pump. Life went on.

It's not just the one law--it's all of them. I played in a band in Vancouver for nine years, and at our regular East Coast restaurant we played at, everytime someone stood up to dance we had to stop playing--liquor laws. It's illegal to sing in Stanley Park--city bylaw. Or the city councillors in my commuinity passing a law to make themselves exempt from parking tickets. Or prohibitions of a realtively harmless subtance like pot. Or requiring country folk to register their long arms. Or making it illegal to smoke in a park, even if there's no one around for 500 feet. Or my buddy whoi lives on a heritage street who needs a permit to paint his house.

Just a vast accumulation of laws, with more and stricter laws arriving everyday to add to the weight, and every one meaning that taxes will be just that little bit higher, and government ioncursion into your affais just a little more personal, and another tiny link is forged in the chains that bind us.

[2Cdo]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

andyt andyt:

The kid stood in front of the car because the owner of the gas station had the good business sense to make him responsible for any gas and dashes, and the good business senses not to spend money on a camera 'cause he wasn't losing money, his emploees were.

They seem to have more sense in the US - as I say, there it's hard to find a gas station that doesn't make you pre-pay. Even before they had pay at the pump. Life went on.

It's not just the one law--it's all of them. I played in a band in Vancouver for nine years, and at our regular East Coast restaurant we played at, everytime someone stood up to dance we had to stop playing--liquor laws. It's illegal to sing in Stanley Park--city bylaw. Or the city councillors in my commuinity passing a law to make themselves exempt from parking tickets. Or prohibitions of a realtively harmless subtance like pot. Or requiring country folk to register their long arms. Or making it illegal to smoke in a park, even if there's no one around for 500 feet. Or my buddy whoi lives on a heritage street who needs a permit to paint his house.

Just a vast accumulation of laws, with more and stricter laws arriving everyday to add to the weight, and every one meaning that taxes will be just that little bit higher, and government ioncursion into your affais just a little more personal, and another tiny link is forged in the chains that bind us.

Unfortunately Zip the average Canadian won't think for himself and wishes the government to legislate his life for him. I'm truly surprised that most Canadians even manage to have kids without the government telling them how.

[Zipperfish]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Unfortunately Zip the average Canadian won't think for himself and wishes the government to legislate his life for him. I'm truly surprised that most Canadians even manage to have kids without the government telling them how.

True, I'm afraid. Tea Party in Canada--let's go!

[digerdick]

here's a prime example of a lying corrupt drunk cop ....so do all you people believe this man should have a job and still be driving on the road..........Tuesday, September 21, 2010
Edmonton police sergeant demoted in ‘unprecedented’ disciplinary act
File photo of Randy Goss, taken in 2000.
Larry Wong photo, edmontonjournal.com
Source: Edmonton Journal

ALBERTA - An Edmonton police sergeant has been demoted to constable for drinking and driving, then denying it to a superior.

The demotion for Randy Goss became effective immediately Tuesday and will remain in place for two years. The pay difference is equivalent to a $30,000 fine.

He was charged and convicted for two counts of discreditable conduct, but not for impaired driving.

“We’re stunned and disappointed,” said police association president Sgt. Tony Simioni, calling the penalty severe and unprecedented in Edmonton.

“Never in the history of this jurisdiction has someone been stripped from a promoted rank to a constable without a criminal conviction preceding it. This raises the bar to an unacceptable level and we have to examine our options to counter it.”

Goss stormed out of the packed disciplinary hearing room without a word after the decision was read.

He has been with the police service for 22 years and most recently had been serving in a supervisory capacity with the Disaster Emergency Operations and Planning Section.

He will have to be reassigned.

The charges stem from an incident in November 2007. According to an agreed statement of facts, Goss and three other officers — a detective and two constables — were off duty when they gathered at Joey’s Grill and Patio Lounge in Edmonton.

Goss arrived at 7:10 p.m. During the evening, he drank six pints of beer, four single-ounce rum and Cokes and two shooters. He left around midnight.

Before he left, staff at the lounge twice warned him they didn’t think he was fit to drive home. A server offered to call a taxi and warned him that they would call police if he took his own vehicle.

He drove his truck home anyway, a server took down the licence plate and 911 operators got the call. The licence plate number was broadcast over police radios at 12:43 a.m.

Staff Sgt. Ken Hykawy called Goss that night.

Hykawy said Goss denied he had even been at the lounge. He said he had been home all night.

At the disciplinary hearing, Goss denied he said he had been home all night, but Supt. Mark Logar, the presiding officer, accepted Hykawy’s version of events in his decision.

“Sgt. Goss lied to a superior officer. The gravity of this misconduct needs to be dealt with decisively and firmly,” said Logar. “Termination would be too severe. However, there is every need to convey a very clear message to the sergeant, to any other officer who may be confused about the point, and the public at large — deceit and lies ... will not be tolerated.”

Goss was not charged with impaired driving, said Simioni, because an RCMP lab expert analyzed his body weight, the time he spent at the lounge and the amount he drank. That expert concluded his blood-alcohol content would most likely have been less than .08, the legal limit for driving.

[Zipperfish]

diggerdick diggerdick:

here's a prime example of a lying corrupt drunk cop ...

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[Charlie Brown's teacher talking]

Well look who dropped in to stink the place up.