[Yogi]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Yogi Yogi:

$1:

Why should I pay anything towards direct expenses for someone elses kids???

Because they are the ones that will wipe your ass when you can't do it yourself anymore, and that will be 'subsidized' by me and my kids. It's called society.

Not even remotely the same! By the time I might 'take advantage' of such a situation I will have paid into the plan for at least 47 years!

How about parents try this method of raising their own kids.

This is how my wife & I, and 'all the other parents of the time' did it.
First, we made a concious decision to have kids. The fact that twins were how it happened was just our situation. We dealt with it!

My construction jobs were mostly daytime, Mon-Fri. My wife stayed home with the kids. I was usually home by 5. We all had supper together and then my wife went to work at her evening job while I stayed home with our kids. On week-ends, I took whatever extra work I could find. My wife stayed with the kids.
Periodically, a situation arose when we required the services of a baby-sitter. Guess what. We paid out of our OWN POCKETS!

The difference with parents 'today' is, we learned to live within our means!
We had 1 b&w tv. Until we could actually afford to buy our first color television. We had one vehicle and a bus pass,until we could actually afford to buy a second vehicle. We usually got to go out camping to a local lake in a tent for a week or so each summer, as well as the occasional week-end trip. Usually to visit family. Cuz that's all we could afford! And all the while, we put a few bucks away for a down-payment on our own home.

People NEED to learn to live within their means, not everyone elses!

And why do you assume that parents younger than you are any different?

Sure, there are some people like the ones you describe above, but there are also those same people in your generation as well.

Further, it's not like this tax break is windfall cash....you make it seem like your propping up the entire family structure with this tax break.

Did you feel the same way when you received your "baby bonus" for your children?[/quote]

All $6.00 per child. You bet I enjoyed it. Why, I was able to buy 6 boxes of beer with that!

And let's not mention that families get a lot more than $6.00 per kid, as well as the babysitter subsidy!

What parents of 'my generation' viewed as a 'social safety-net' has become, for todays parents,a trampoline!

[OnTheIce]

Yogi Yogi:

All $6.00 per child. You bet I enjoyed it. Why, I was able to buy 6 boxes of beer with that!

And let's not mention that families get a lot more than $6.00 per kid, as well as the babysitter subsidy!

What parents of 'my generation' viewed as a 'social safety-net' has become, for todays parents,a trampoline!

Perhaps you should stick to a generation of parenting that you were actually involved in, not just your perception of what you see today.

[Brenda]

Yogi Yogi:

All $6.00 per child. You bet I enjoyed it. Why, I was able to buy 6 boxes of beer with that!

And let's not mention that families get a lot more than $6.00 per kid, as well as the babysitter subsidy!

What parents of 'my generation' viewed as a 'social safety-net' has become, for todays parents,a trampoline!

Well, seeing that a box of beer is about $25 now, that would make $150, babysitters are $8/hr (till May, then it will be $8.75 here in BC, and that is the 16 year old that can do a few hours), and since all my friends work and I don't have family here to take care of my kids, AND the higher the family income, the lower any kind of subsidy, I still can't buy those 6 boxes of beer...

[Yogi]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Yogi Yogi:

All $6.00 per child. You bet I enjoyed it. Why, I was able to buy 6 boxes of beer with that!

And let's not mention that families get a lot more than $6.00 per kid, as well as the babysitter subsidy!

What parents of 'my generation' viewed as a 'social safety-net' has become, for todays parents,a trampoline!

Perhaps you should stick to a generation of parenting that you were actually involved in, not just your perception of what you see today.

What I 'see' is taxpayers $$$ and cents, and a complete lack of personal responsibility towards same!

[OnTheIce]

Yogi Yogi:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Yogi Yogi:

All $6.00 per child. You bet I enjoyed it. Why, I was able to buy 6 boxes of beer with that!

And let's not mention that families get a lot more than $6.00 per kid, as well as the babysitter subsidy!

What parents of 'my generation' viewed as a 'social safety-net' has become, for todays parents,a trampoline!

Perhaps you should stick to a generation of parenting that you were actually involved in, not just your perception of what you see today.

What I 'see' is taxpayers $$$ and cents, and a complete lack of personal responsibility towards same!

Says the guy that used his government subsidy on beer and not his children.

[Brenda]

Yogi Yogi:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Yogi Yogi:

All $6.00 per child. You bet I enjoyed it. Why, I was able to buy 6 boxes of beer with that!

And let's not mention that families get a lot more than $6.00 per kid, as well as the babysitter subsidy!

What parents of 'my generation' viewed as a 'social safety-net' has become, for todays parents,a trampoline!

Perhaps you should stick to a generation of parenting that you were actually involved in, not just your perception of what you see today.

What I 'see' is taxpayers $$$ and cents, and a complete lack of personal responsibility towards same!

So having to work because otherwise, you can't afford your rent and feed your kids is lack of personal responsibility?
Well, I guess we should either all go homeless, stop feeding our kids or leave them alone all day then.

[Yogi]

Brenda Brenda:

Yogi Yogi:

Yogi Yogi:

All $6.00 per child. You bet I enjoyed it. Why, I was able to buy 6 boxes of beer with that!

And let's not mention that families get a lot more than $6.00 per kid, as well as the babysitter subsidy!

What parents of 'my generation' viewed as a 'social safety-net' has become, for todays parents,a trampoline!

Perhaps you should stick to a generation of parenting that you were actually involved in, not just your perception of what you see today.

What I 'see' is taxpayers $$$ and cents, and a complete lack of personal responsibility towards same!

So having to work because otherwise, you can't afford your rent and feed your kids is lack of personal responsibility?
Well, I guess we should either all go homeless, stop feeding our kids or leave them alone all day then.[/quote]

You are very good at twisting words when it suits!

I am saying that people need to dump the 'I WANT IT RIGHT NOW' attitude.
Gotta have the sleds & boats & 2 suvs & motorcycles and RVs & big screen tvs & brand new 'never lived in big houses' and Carribean vacations and...... I 'wanted' all this stuff too, but I was raised in a time that taught me that 'I could only hope to have that which I could afford!

[Brenda]

I don't have ANY of that, just sayin'

[OnTheIce]

Yogi Yogi:

You are very good at twisting words when it suits!

I am saying that people need to dump the 'I WANT IT RIGHT NOW' attitude.
Gotta have the sleds & boats & 2 suvs & motorcycles and RVs & big screen tvs & brand new 'never lived in big houses' and Carribean vacations and...... I 'wanted' all this stuff too, but I was raised in a time that taught me that 'I could only hope to have that which I could afford!

And yet, you don't think this happened in your generation?

There are people like this of all ages. Not just people with young families.

Get a grip.

[Yogi]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Yogi Yogi:

You are very good at twisting words when it suits!

I am saying that people need to dump the 'I WANT IT RIGHT NOW' attitude.
Gotta have the sleds & boats & 2 suvs & motorcycles and RVs & big screen tvs & brand new 'never lived in big houses' and Carribean vacations and...... I 'wanted' all this stuff too, but I was raised in a time that taught me that 'I could only hope to have that which I could afford!

And yet, you don't think this happened in your generation?

There are people like this of all ages. Not just people with young families.

Get a grip.

The difference being that 'we' didn't expect a 'taxpayer funded entitlement' to help us pay for our toys!

[andyt]

Yogi Yogi:

The difference being that 'we' didn't expect a 'taxpayer funded entitlement' to help us pay for our toys!

Back then the rich paid a much higher percentage in taxes, so you were living off their contribution.

[OnTheIce]

Yogi Yogi:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Yogi Yogi:

You are very good at twisting words when it suits!

I am saying that people need to dump the 'I WANT IT RIGHT NOW' attitude.
Gotta have the sleds & boats & 2 suvs & motorcycles and RVs & big screen tvs & brand new 'never lived in big houses' and Carribean vacations and...... I 'wanted' all this stuff too, but I was raised in a time that taught me that 'I could only hope to have that which I could afford!

And yet, you don't think this happened in your generation?

There are people like this of all ages. Not just people with young families.

Get a grip.

The difference being that 'we' didn't expect a 'taxpayer funded entitlement' to help us pay for our toys!

I'm amazed you can type with your head burried so deep in that sand.

[Yogi]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Yogi Yogi:

You are very good at twisting words when it suits!

I am saying that people need to dump the 'I WANT IT RIGHT NOW' attitude.
Gotta have the sleds & boats & 2 suvs & motorcycles and RVs & big screen tvs & brand new 'never lived in big houses' and Carribean vacations and...... I 'wanted' all this stuff too, but I was raised in a time that taught me that 'I could only hope to have that which I could afford!

And yet, you don't think this happened in your generation?

There are people like this of all ages. Not just people with young families.

Get a grip.

The difference being that 'we' didn't expect a 'taxpayer funded entitlement' to help us pay for our toys!

I'm amazed you can type with your head burried so deep in that sand.[/quote]
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Very polite. I like that!


For the record; I'm all for society-me included- helping to provide '3 hots and a cot' for everyone. The extras, people should 'do extra' and earn them!

andy; The 'rich' never bought me SFA. Nor should they have!

[andyt]

Yogi - they paid the bulk of the taxes that built those schools for your kids, the roads you used to drive them there, the hospitals you took them to etc. My point is that no man is an island. You didn't carve out your homestead out of the wilderness and support your family off that.

[Yogi]

andyt andyt:

Yogi - they paid the bulk of the taxes that built those schools for your kids, the roads you used to drive them there, the hospitals you took them to etc. My point is that no man is an island. You didn't carve out your homestead out of the wilderness and support your family off that.

And I, in turn, am helping pay for new roads and new schools, and new hospitals. As it should be. What I don't understand is subsidizing families, who WANT to live beyond their means and don't want to earn and save, while living within their means.