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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 3:57 pm
 


That's because the 12 days is based on a fanciful caricature of what Democrats are supposed to support.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 4:44 pm
 


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That's because the 12 days is based on a fanciful caricature of what Democrats are supposed to support.


I know, and they didn't even get them all. They missed the one that scares me the most - Obama's insane energy policy. I mean, for God's sake...he made an environmentalist with questionable expertise in actual science his science advisor. He did make the final decision on Holdren, and sign him up, didn't he?


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:51 pm
 


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That's because the 12 days is based on a fanciful caricature of what Democrats are supposed to support.


Oh, I am not sure about that. The McCarthy era had Americans believing everyone was a closet Communist. The tendency of the right is still mired in the muck of either agreeing with them or being called a socialist or communist. The insane part of this is that the right does not even understand either term.

Nevertheless, caricature or not a lot of Americans believe it and so do Canadian red necks.


Why do you live in the past?


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Maybe your the racists not me. I simply pointed out that he's half white, which is something none of you wants to say publicly, since you think it'd diminish your place in history, which is a fallacy. The US elected the first ever mixed race president and that should be history enough, but for some people it just isn't. They trumpet the fact that he's African American, disregarding the other half of his heritage so they can feel good about themselves.

You seem to be the only one here debating whether Obama is black or half-white. Point is, does it affect his ability to be President?

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
You people can't have it both ways, the truth of the matter is he's not black and he's not white and if I'm a racist for pointing this fact out and bursting your euphoric bubble, then just keep believing it.

You're not racist for pointing out the 'truth of the matter' as you call it - no matter what colour Obama's skin is. You're a racist if you're imposing your views upon me.


I never intended to impose my views on anyone, but then again that works both ways. I simply stated a fact, that IMO alot of people seem to want to forget in order to recreate the same euphoric feeling that a similar event caused over 40 years ago, even though most of them weren't around to see it.


Quite obviously Obama's race or colour has no bearing on how he will do as president and I've said as much. Only history will be the judge of how he performs.


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Thats all she knows, she doesnt bother learning anything knew only tries to vomit up what she has learned in the past. Normally this wouldn’t be such a bad thing, but she still lives in the past. This is why she has not won a single argument on here or represented herself well. Personally I think she should either listen and actually try and learn from the people on here or STFU and leave. Hell she doesnt even acknowledge I know more than her about Afghanistan or IEDs.


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A recent poll suggest obomba is admired by something like 80% of respondents world wide. I can only say that if that is the case, mass brainwashing is exceptionally wide spread and effective. I would question what indeed anyone could say is admirable about the man. He achieved the post of president SO WHAT????? So did George Bush, and where has that got us? The guy is untested and unproven and has done little but warm a seat in the senate and make some flowery speaches. And that rates admiration?? How shallow and undiscerning are we? IMHO the guy is a fascist, there will be no change, just more war and attempts at total control over the sheople.


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I'll try again, you racist bonehead. First of all, I don't give a shit if he's green and from Mars. The reason why it's a big deal that he's the first black president (let's make that clear, it's the colour of his skin, not who he's descended from), which has been a class and cultural dividing line since white people colonised this continent. Those who are rational minded know that the colour of his skin and the heritage of his parents does not make one bit of difference in whether or not he is capable of being a good president.

And, you didn't even try to answer my question, so I'll ask again. Which ideals are you criticising, and what is misguided about them?




Personally I couldn't care less about his skin colour either, it has nothing to do with it, the term your types


My types? I never talked about his heritage or the colour of his skin until you brought it up.

$1:
use to describe him is the first African American President, African American isn't a colour it's a race and then, when this is challenged you people try to describe him as Black by the colour of his skin, conveniently avoiding the fact that he's half white.


If you don't care, why is it such a big point of contension for you?

$1:
Maybe your the racists not me. I simply pointed out that he's half white,


And I pointed out that I don't give a crap if he's green and from Mars. Who cares? What does it have to do with his ability to be a good president? That is the matter that is most important, his ability to be a good leader. You haven't talked about that, you've talked about inconsequential garbage instead.

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which is something none of you wants to say publicly, since you think it'd diminish your place in history, which is a fallacy.


Or maybe "we" just don't give a shit. It's not important if he's half white or half black or all for the Denver Broncos. It's important that he can make good, intelligent, informed decisions.

$1:
The US elected the first ever mixed race president


There you go again, bringing that thing that apparently doesn't matter to you. What a bonehead.

$1:
the answer to your last question is in the post if your took the time to read it.


If that was your answer, it was a very poor answer, and didn't really answer the question anyway. But I have my answer, and it is that you have no idea what ideals your are trying to criticise. You're just using your silly accusations as an easy platform for race bashing.


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I thought this was about obomba :?

A monumental fraud:

Obama is a monumental fraud who talks a good story, but lives a very different one. He won his first political office as a state senator in Chicago in 1996, not through the power of his policies, but by coldly abusing the electoral process.

Instead of running against his opponents and letting the people decide, he had his cronies challenge hundreds of names on the nomination papers of his Democratic primary rivals until they were all forced off the ballot by technicalities. He then ran unopposed. One of them, Gha-is Askia, says that Obama's behaviour belied his image as a champion of the little guy and crusader for voter rights:

'Why say you're for a new tomorrow, then do old-style Chicago politics to remove legitimate candidates? He talks about honour and democracy, but what honour is there in getting rid of every other candidate so you can run scot-free? Why not let the people decide?'

Why? Because he would probably have lost and Obama isn't interested in losing by playing fair. He wants to win by any means necessary. The only voter-right he's interested in is the right to vote for him. He has also used his hatchet-men like Axelrod to employ scandal to discredit opponents to ensure his election when the real scandal is the truth about Obama himself.

He is a classically corrupt main-chancer spawned from the Chicago political cesspit. His close connections, therefore, to seriously dodgy 'businessmen' and fraudsters like the now-jailed slum landlord Tony Rezko are exactly what you would expect.



Rezko, yet another snout in the trough of the Illinois Combine, has heavily funded Obama's political career and that of the now-arrested Rod Blagojevich, and in return they have supported massive sums being paid to Rezko by Chicago taxpayers to run 'public housing'.

These properties were then allowed to fall into such a state of danger and disrepair, including sewage running into kitchen sinks, that they were deemed unfit for habitation by the often black poor that Obama was supposed to be representing as a Senator. Some buildings were so bad they had to be demolished.

Rezko also secured appointments for his business associates to state boards and was eventually indicted for using these connections to demand kickbacks from businesses that wanted to do business with the state.

Rezko and Obama toured the $1.6 million mansion in Hyde Park, Chicago, which the Obamas bought at $300,000 below the asking price in 2005 while the Rezkos purchased the adjoining land at the full asking price. Some of this land was later bought by the Obamas. Rezko contributed a quarter of a million dollars to Obama's political career and served on Obama's Senate campaign finance committee, which raised more than $14 million.

Then there is Obama's close association with the terrorists, William Ayers and his wife Bernardine Dohrn. In the late sixties Ayers co-founded the terror organisation called the Weather Underground (also known as the Weathermen and similar derivatives) and launched a campaign of bombing public places like the Pentagon and the Capitol Building. Three members were killed making bombs in Greenwich Village.

In 1970 Ayers was said to have described their philosophy as: 'Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at ...' Mr. Ayers himself comes from the home of 'rich people'.

Bernardine Dohrn said this about the Charles Manson murders: 'Dig it! Manson killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, then they shoved a fork into a victim's stomach.''



William Ayers in 1968.

On the day of 9/11 he told the New York Times that he didn't regret the Weather Underground bombing campaign and believed they didn't do enough.

The case against Ayers and Dohrn was thrown out because of then illegal wire-taps and Ayers is now a professor in the College of Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, holding the titles of Distinguished Professor of Education and Senior University Scholar.

Ayers recruited Obama to serve as chairman on the $100 million Chicago Annenberg Challenge and they worked together for seven years handing out grants to the 'educational' projects of people like ... William Ayers. They also worked together on another tax-exempt foundation, the Woods Fund in Chicago, which awarded grants to Obama's own Trinity United Church, home to his controversial pastor, Jeremiah Wright.

Obama's political career was effectively launched in 1995, just after he was made chairman of the Annenberg Challenge, at a meeting at the Chicago home of ... William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn. They have been connected to his circle ever since if the truth be told.

The Chicago Annenberg Challenge, run by Obama and Ayers, didn't fund schools directly, but instead insisted that they affiliate with 'external partners' who were granted the money. These turned out to be far-left 'community organisers' so beloved of Bill Ayers and these groups included the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (or Acorn).

Obama also conducted 'leadership training' seminars with Acorn and its members began to become heavily involved in his political campaigns. It has also been behind efforts to 'register voters' (voters most likely to vote for Obama) and Nevada state officials raided Acorn's Las Vegas office after election authorities accused the group of submitting multiple voter registrations with fake and duplicate names.

Among the major funders of Acorn ... George Soros.

Obama even refuses to prove that he was born in the United States and thus qualifies to be President. He claims to have been born in Hawaii, but his grandmother, half-brother and half-sister in Kenya all insist he was born there.



'Mr. Clean' Obama has a deeply dirty background, but for now no scale of evidence will stop the swooning Obama zombies from believing the hype or burst their reality bubble. That is going to take hard experience and it could take some time and a lot of disappointment before they are released from the clutches of cognitive dissonance and have to admit to themselves they have been had.

It is the same for all the black people who voted for what they thought was the first black president when, in truth, he is a man in a black mask representing the interests of the white-faced Illuminati cabal, the very families and networks that ran the slave trade.

I don't want to be the bringer of bad news or the thwarter of dreams, but honesty demands it. The man is a trickster controlled by supertricksters. A sock puppet controlled by bigger sock puppets who serve an even greater and darker evil. To his masters, Obama is just a means to an end and if it suits them to assassinate him to trigger civil war and upheaval in the United States then that is what they will do.

Oh dear Oprah, how will you cope when reality dawns? But, then, will it ever??



'What? You mean you're not the Lord?'

I can understand the appeal of Obama because people want him to be what he claims to be, but isn't. They are sick of the conflict, the corruption, the struggle we call 'life' and they want it all to change. But Obama's change is illusory and represents only the continued transformation of society in the image envisaged by Orwell.

We will see some apparently good things announced, like the closing of Guantanamo, to give the impression that Obama means what he says. But keep your eye on the ball and you'll see how the agenda of the global tyranny is introduced under the guise of Obama's 'hope', 'change', 'believe', 'sacrifice' and 'coming together'.

It could take two years, maybe much more, before cognitive dissonance (lying to yourself) loses it current grip on the minds of the Obama faithful. Until then they will make endless excuses for him (lie to themselves) to keep the 'dream' alive.

But one day they will have to admit, by the power of the evidence before them, that they bought a dream and got a nightmare. What a pity they can't see the obvious now and save them themselves such painful disappointment.


Speaking of the old "hope" shtick - sounds like our very own Gov Gen has picked that line up as well, guess she's just another nwo shill.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 4:21 pm
 


N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
I have question for supporters of "The One".

Which of the 12 predictions in the video do you think won't happen? In case you forgot, they were...

State run health care,
Massive unemployment,
Wide open borders,
Terrorist appeasement,
Rising inflation,
New federal gun bans,
Big corporate bailouts,
Socialist change,
More failing schools,
High tax rates,
Former Clinton hacks,
and a
A leftist judiciary.

or, are you thinking they're all pretty much going to happen, but right wing dummies just don't understand the complexity that demands them?


Socialist change? That's funny. George Bush ran some of the biggest deficits in history, established whole new government entities and state security appartus, transferred trillions of private capital to government-run projects, took away individual rtights while beefing up the intrusiveness and power of the state. Obamam would have to be a regular Karl Marx to top that one.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:52 pm
 


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All you know about Afghanistan and IEDs is that you don't know how to solve the problem. That is hardly positive. More are getting killed by them and you are probably still making excuses about how it is an unsolvable problem. Some knowledge, eh? Why don't you testosterone junkies actually solve some military problems for a change instead of playing with your weapons?


Why don't you just shut the fuck up and spew your respectless crap elsewhere? I haven't seen YOU come up with a solution either, right? Some knowledge eh?

Get your ass over there first before you claim knowledge about shit you don't even know what it looks like up close. You wouldn't even recognize anything these guys work with on a daily basis when you stood on it.
KABOOOOOMMMMMM

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I can read. You are a typical radical lefty, who always claims the "others" don't have a solution, and all you can do is whine about it. Thinking for yourself is too hard, you don't have a solution either, so stfu, and let the people who at least TRY to solve it do their job.

Even simple logic is lost on you.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 8:41 pm
 


Tegan Tegan:
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Thats all she knows, she doesnt bother learning anything knew only tries to vomit up what she has learned in the past. Normally this wouldn’t be such a bad thing, but she still lives in the past. This is why she has not won a single argument on here or represented herself well. Personally I think she should either listen and actually try and learn from the people on here or STFU and leave. Hell she doesnt even acknowledge I know more than her about Afghanistan or IEDs.


All you know about Afghanistan and IEDs is that you don't know how to solve the problem. That is hardly positive. More are getting killed by them and you are probably still making excuses about how it is an unsolvable problem. Some knowledge, eh? Why don't you testosterone junkies actually solve some military problems for a change instead of playing with your weapons?

Talk about living in the past, you are not even aware of current military technology and its capabilities.

1) Considering I can see the new vehicles outside my office, I think I know a little more about it then you.
Tegan Tegan:
I know the commander of one of the Canadian bases and have taught his daughters. I have lots of photos of what is going on in Afghanistan, taken by soldiers. I am more up to date than you are.

2) I call bullshit on this one, lets see some of these pictures that you have which show your knowledge of situation over in Afghanistan.

3) If you want to show me your lack of knowledge on this subject, do it in the IED thread. I only bring it up to point out your lack of credibility.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:45 pm
 


Tegan Tegan:
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Why do you live in the past?


Oh, then tell us, do you believe the socialist characterizations or not? If you do, then you are the one living in the past.


What I believe is irrelevant. You continue to make wild statements about subjects that demonstrates a blinkered attitude.

What do have against "red necks", they are the salt of the earth.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:36 pm
 


ridenrain ridenrain:
I think you folks should deal with the topic at hand and stop with the charactor assasination.


The topic at hand appears to be character assasination...


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:46 pm
 


Obamma cannot possibly live up to his expectations--no human could. But I think those on the right who would seek to criticize Obama should remember what an absolute fucking train wreck their man (George Bush) was.


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