[Winnipegger]

BRAH BRAH:

Do Al Qaeda members being held at Gimto fall under the Geneva Convention?

My understand is the Geneva convention states those members of Al Qaeda (however it's spelled) who weren't citizens of Afghanistan are "mercenaries". The Geneva Convention allows very harsh treatment of mercenaries.

[Goober911]

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

BRAH BRAH:

Do Al Qaeda members being held at Gimto fall under the Geneva Convention?

My understand is the Geneva convention states those members of Al Qaeda (however it's spelled) who weren't citizens of Afghanist are "mercenaries". The Geneva Convention allows very harsh treatment of mercenaries.

Tell me when a POW if they were classed as such would ever be released in a Forever War?
Because this is a long one. My Grandchildren will still be dealing with the effects & blow back long after we are all dead.

[BRAH]

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

BRAH BRAH:

Do Al Qaeda members being held at Gimto fall under the Geneva Convention?

My understand is the Geneva convention states those members of Al Qaeda (however it's spelled) who weren't citizens of Afghanist are "mercenaries". The Geneva Convention allows very harsh treatment of mercenaries.

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was a member of Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda organization, although he lived in Kuwait rather than Afghanistan, heading al-Qaeda's propaganda operations from sometime around 1999. According to the 9/11 Commission Report he was "the principal architect of the 9/11 attacks"
What does the United States do with this Terrorist? The truth is Gitmo serves a purpose and it's a truth the Left chooses to ignore.

Goober911 Goober911:

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

BRAH BRAH:

Do Al Qaeda members being held at Gimto fall under the Geneva Convention?

My understand is the Geneva convention states those members of Al Qaeda (however it's spelled) who weren't citizens of Afghanist are "mercenaries". The Geneva Convention allows very harsh treatment of mercenaries.

Tell me when a POW if they were classed as such would ever be released in a Forever War?
Because this is a long one. My Grandchildren will still be dealing with the effects & blow back long after we are all dead.

Al Qaeda members are not classified as POW's.

[Winnipegger]

BRAH BRAH:

What does the United States do with this Terrorist?

I believe Thanos answered that…

Thanos Thanos:

They really can't bring the majority of the GITMO inmates to trial. Too many of them never should have been detained in the first place. Too many of the others were subjected to "enhanced interrogation" and any federal judge would basically toss the government case out because it was based on information derived on torture. Meanwhile, the conviction rate when terror suspects were taken directly into the civilian side of the federal system is hovering around 100%. The civilian side of the system, where "enhanced interrogation" wasn't allowed and where the convicted have all been given life sentences in SuperMax prisons where there is no hope of parole or escape. Yet the Forever Warriors insisted, and still insist today, that the federal system is too "wimpy" to deal with the cases of individuals charged with terrorism.

Goober911 Goober911:

Tell me when a POW if they were classed as such would ever be released in a Forever War?
Because this is a long one. My Grandchildren will still be dealing with the effects & blow back long after we are all dead.

I thought George W. Bush already declared "cessation of active hostilities".

[BRAH]

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

BRAH BRAH:

What does the United States do with this Terrorist?

I believe Thanos answered that…

So do you think the United States should release him and say all is forgiven? Or should he never have been detained?

[Freakinoldguy]

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

BRAH BRAH:

What does the United States do with this Terrorist?

I believe Thanos answered that…

Thanos Thanos:

They really can't bring the majority of the GITMO inmates to trial. Too many of them never should have been detained in the first place. Too many of the others were subjected to "enhanced interrogation" and any federal judge would basically toss the government case out because it was based on information derived on torture. Meanwhile, the conviction rate when terror suspects were taken directly into the civilian side of the federal system is hovering around 100%. The civilian side of the system, where "enhanced interrogation" wasn't allowed and where the convicted have all been given life sentences in SuperMax prisons where there is no hope of parole or escape. Yet the Forever Warriors insisted, and still insist today, that the federal system is too "wimpy" to deal with the cases of individuals charged with terrorism.

Goober911 Goober911:

Tell me when a POW if they were classed as such would ever be released in a Forever War?
Because this is a long one. My Grandchildren will still be dealing with the effects & blow back long after we are all dead.

I thought George W. Bush already declared "cessation of active hostilities".

Kind of but it was Iraq not Afghanistan and I don't know if one twit saying "Mission Accomplished" counts as the legal definition of "cessation of hostilities" especially when all the combatants are still dying, being wounded and shooting the shite out of each other.

[Winnipegger]

BRAH BRAH:

So do you think the United States should release him and say all is forgiven? Or should he never have been detained?

He should be tried by civilian courts. The argument at the time was the courts were able to convict the Oklahoma bomber. Lock him up in SuperMax.

[Winnipegger]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Kind of but it was Iraq not Afghanistan and I don't know if one twit saying "Mission Accomplished" counts as the legal definition of "cessation of hostilities" especially when all the combatants are still dying, being wounded and shooting the shite out of each other.

You're calling George W. Bush a twit? Ok.

Would-a, could-a, should-a.
1) One senior FBI investigator was investigating al-Qaeda, and in direct contact with Condoleezza Rice prior to 9/11. That investigator believed the fact al-Qaeda attacked the World Trade Center garage with a truck bomb meant they would try again. George W. should have known.
2) After 9/11, it was evident that al-Qaeda did it. Not Afghanistan, and not the Taliban. When George W. demanded that Afghanistan hand over Bin Laden, the Taliban said "Yes". They only asked for evidence he was guilty. That's reasonable, even Canada asks for that when faced with an extradition request for a suspect facing capital punishment. He should have ensured intelligence agents were clear, then given them the evidence. If the Taliban still refused, then invade. Considering how fickle the Middle East is, they would have probably complied.
3) The attack came from al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, not Iraq. No justification what so ever to invade Iraq.
4) After invading Afghanistan, they should have gone in fast, kicked ass, then pulled out. Not stay indefinitely, occupying like the Soviet Union, and letting American and Allied soldiers die.
5) After Obama was elected, he should have pulled all American troops out of Iraq within the first 100 days of his presidency. Then pulled out of Afghanistan before the mid-term Congressional election of 2010.
6) Obama promised to close the prison at GITMO. When the courts intervened, he should have closed the entire military base. According to the US Constitution, he's the Commander In Chief of the Armed Forces. The courts can't overrule him on closure of a military base. And Congress can withhold funds to open a base, but they can't stop him from closing one. There can't be a prison after the land is returned to Cuba. Prisoners would have had to be transferred to continental US prisons for trial.
7) After Bin Laden was found, he should have been captured alive. Brought to trial in the US. Expect a long, drawn-out, prolonged, televised trial. When convicted, his execution would have been live TV. That would have been cathartic for the American people. Give them closure.
8 ) When Bin Laden was just killed, not captured, that should have ended all action in Afghanistan.

But none of this happened. What do we do now? Be ethical. That means release all prisoners who qualify as Prisoners of War under the Geneva Convention. All others must be tried immediately in civilian court.

And get the fuck out of Afghanistan. NOW! The war is over. Get out!

[Freakinoldguy]

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Kind of but it was Iraq not Afghanistan and I don't know if one twit saying "Mission Accomplished" counts as the legal definition of "cessation of hostilities" especially when all the combatants are still dying, being wounded and shooting the shite out of each other.

You're calling George W. Bush a twit? Ok.

Would-a, could-a, should-a.
1) One senior FBI investigator was investigating al-Qaeda, and in direct contact with Condoleezza Rice prior to 9/11. That investigator believed the fact al-Qaeda attacked the World Trade Center garage with a truck bomb meant they would try again. George W. should have known.
2) After 9/11, it was evident that al-Qaeda did it. Not Afghanistan, and not the Taliban. When George W. demanded that Afghanistan hand over Bin Laden, the Taliban said "Yes". They only asked for evidence he was guilty. That's reasonable, even Canada asks for that when faced with an extradition request for a suspect facing capital punishment. He should have ensured intelligence agents were clear, then given them the evidence. If the Taliban still refused, then invade. Considering how fickle the Middle East is, they would have probably complied.
3) The attack came from al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, not Iraq. No justification what so ever to invade Iraq.
4) After invading Afghanistan, they should have gone in fast, kicked ass, then pulled out. Not stay indefinitely, occupying like the Soviet Union, and letting American and Allied soldiers die.
5) After Obama was elected, he should have pulled all American troops out of Iraq within the first 100 days of his presidency. Then pulled out of Afghanistan before the mid-term Congressional election of 2010.
6) Obama promised to close the prison at GITMO. When the courts intervened, he should have closed the entire military base. According to the US Constitution, he's the Commander In Chief of the Armed Forces. The courts can't overrule him on closure of a military base. And Congress can withhold funds to open a base, but they can't stop him from closing one. There can't be a prison after the land is returned to Cuba. Prisoners would have had to be transferred to continental US prisons for trial.

But none of this happened. What do we do now? Be ethical. That means release all prisoners who qualify as Prisoners of War under the Geneva Convention. All others must be tried immediately in civilian court.

And get the fuck out of Afghanistan. NOW! The war is over. Get out!

You're dreaming. The Americans aren't going to give Gitmo back to a Communist Country on their doorstep and the war in Afghanistan isn't over till representatives from the combatants declares it over which hasn't happened yet and isn't likely to happen anytime soon given the Taliban's vocal opposition to anything resembling a democracy.

As for GWB. Yes he's a twit. A decent enough guy but still a bit of a twit. He should never have been the President. He was in way over his head and ended up having his Presidency co opted by his subordinates, just like the current President is doing. Which goes to show just how far the position of POTUS has been denigrated when it comes to being the Commander in Chief of the worlds largest superpower.