[Thanos]

It was a war that most Canadians at the time, and most Canadians still are today, were rightly against. Therefore we shouldn't hand out any official Canadian awards for it. Not when it all began out of a lie, the Gulf of Tonkin incident, that was as historically huge a propaganda coup as the Reichstag fire.

Almost 70000 American dead, with hundreds of thousands of others permanently crippled. A million Vietnamese dead, most of whom were civilians, with millions of others still being affected today by unexploded American ordnance and by agricultural land poisoned by chemicals like Agent Orange. Two US successive administrations permanently disgraced by their policies. The Cambodian state destabilized to the point that genocidal lunatics were able to take over the country and kill upwards of another three million people. American society and politics forever afterwards divided between the radical right and the extreme left, with the decline of the moderate middle provably beginning as a result of Vietnam.

Nothing good came from that war. Just destabilization and mass death. That it happened even once was unforgivable. That the same thing was repeated and created the same result in Iraq in 2003 was unbelievable. That it will be repeated and happen again in Iran, probably by no later than 2018, will be indescribable.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

It was a war that most Canadians at the time, and most Canadians still are today, were rightly against. Therefore we shouldn't hand out any official Canadian awards for it. Not when it all began out of a lie, the Gulf of Tonkin incident, that was as historically huge a propaganda coup as the Reichstag fire.

Almost 70000 American dead, with hundreds of thousands of others permanently crippled. A million Vietnamese dead, most of whom were civilians, with millions of others still being affected today by unexploded American ordnance and by agricultural land poisoned by chemicals like Agent Orange. Two US successive administrations permanently disgraced by their policies. The Cambodian state destabilized to the point that genocidal lunatics were able to take over the country and kill upwards of another three million people. American society and politics forever afterwards divided between the radical right and the extreme left, with the decline of the moderate middle provably beginning as a result of Vietnam.

Nothing good came from that war. Just destabilization and mass death. That it happened even once was unforgivable. That the same thing was repeated and created the same result in Iraq in 2003 was unbelievable. That it will be repeated and happen again in Iran, probably by no later than 2018, will be indescribable.

Like I said, disagree with the war if you will but weigh this man's actions on their own merits.

[Thanos]

I respect him for his beliefs but that still doesn't mean he deserves any kind of official Canadian award for fighting in Vietnam. I have nothing against this man at all. If I have any ire over this subject it's against the retard SUN columnist for writing his asinine column with this asinine suggestion in the first place. Just another dumbfuck warmonger right-wing writer who's own experience of war is strictly the armchair general kneejerk & dogwhistle propaganda he deliberately creates, and he has no responsible apprehension at all for any of the death, agony, destruction, and mayhem that people like him with their yellow 'journalism' end up creating for others to endure.

[2Cdo]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Like I said, disagree with the war if you will but weigh this man's actions on their own merits.

Sorry Bart, our main-stream press is waiting for Khadrs release to nominate him for the Order of Canada.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos is apparently having difficulties getting past the word "Vietnam" to see that recognizing this man for his accomplishments is not the same as validating the war.

[Thanos]

You seem to have difficulty yourself in understanding that Canada had no involvement in the Vietnam war therefore we're under no legal or moral obligation to give official awards to anyone, not even Canadians, who fought there. Canadian awards are not there to provide feel-good moments to American right-wingers in order to sate their need to have their beliefs validated.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

You seem to have difficulty yourself in understanding that Canada had no involvement in the Vietnam war therefore we're under no legal or moral obligation to give official awards to anyone, not even Canadians, who fought there. Canadian awards are not there to provide feel-good moments to American right-wingers in order to sate their need to have their beliefs validated.

Think again.

http://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/news ... -1.1030949

[Thanos]

None of which proves that Canada is obligated to officially award participation in a war that we weren't officially a part of.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

None of which proves that Canada is obligated to officially award participation in a war that we weren't officially a part of.

WTF does it take to get through to you today?

Recognizing the man for his individual bravery and valor is not at all an endorsement of the Vietnam War! FFS I opposed the whole NATO-Kosovo War but the guys who fought in it still deserve their due for the various things they did.

[Knight1911]

I agree with Bart. I don't agree with 'Nam, but this guy does stand on his own merits. And, I'm a Liberal. So yeah, F off Khadr!

[Vamp018]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

This young Canadian received the US Medal of Honor for valor and for gallantry and in doing so he represented the very best of Canada.

As I read it he certainly qualifies for the Order of Canada.

Disagree with the war if you will, but the recognition of this man should stand on its own merits.

Excellent point of order

[Thanos]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Thanos Thanos:

None of which proves that Canada is obligated to officially award participation in a war that we weren't officially a part of.

WTF does it take to get through to you today?

Recognizing the man for his individual bravery and valor is not at all an endorsement of the Vietnam War! FFS I opposed the whole NATO-Kosovo War but the guys who fought in it still deserve their due for the various things they did.

He received his due recognition from the country he fought for, i.e. the United States. He didn't fight in a Canadian uniform, under a Canadian flag, in a conflict that the government of Canada entered into as a willing co-belligerent. Therefore Canada is not obligated to give him any sort of award on behalf of the nation.

[Knight1911]

Thanos Thanos:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Thanos Thanos:

None of which proves that Canada is obligated to officially award participation in a war that we weren't officially a part of.

WTF does it take to get through to you today?

Recognizing the man for his individual bravery and valor is not at all an endorsement of the Vietnam War! FFS I opposed the whole NATO-Kosovo War but the guys who fought in it still deserve their due for the various things they did.

He received his due recognition from the country he fought for, i.e. the United States. He didn't fight in a Canadian uniform, under a Canadian flag, in a conflict that the government of Canada entered into as a willing co-belligerent. Therefore Canada is not obligated to give him any sort of award on behalf of the nation.

You also do have a logical argument. I guess if we were to go by pure logic, you'd win.

[andyt]

Really, we're going to start giving awards for bravery for Canadians fighting for other nations? If we had been involved in that war it would be a different matter, even if he had fought for the US (like a friend of mine who lived in the US at the time, so instead of getting drafted joined the Marines.) Then he would be aiding our war.

How about if we give orders of Canada to Canadians who fight for the Russians in Ukraine? How about somebody fighting for: Congo, Mali, Nigeria, Somalia, Sudan? Myanmar, Pakistan, Philippines? Chechnya, Dagestan? Iraq? Most of those are fighting Islamist rebels, surely we should honor anybody that goes there to fight?

[Jabberwalker]

andyt andyt:

He's not our hero. If the US wants to adulate him, let them.

I have to agree. He is an American hero in an American war. I don't think that we should be decorating Canadian born heroes from say, the Spanish Civil War, either ... or maybe fighting for the State of Israel.