[BeaverFever]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

So I started going down the list.

They're sponsored by organizations.

The first one I checked was sponsored by the United Church. Now you're going to have to try real hard to convince me they're going to be selective in who they allow in. They're Progressives. I know this because it's why I left that church. There's nothing on any of the sites saying you have to be any particular religion, culture or ethnicity to get a room at their retirement village.

I checked another one that was sponsored by Ukrainian Orthodox. There was nothing there saying only Ukrainians allowed, but they were bragging about the multicultural area they were in.

So then I came across B'nai Brith.

Jews right? If the Jews are open to multicultural residency in their retirement village we're done.

$1:

B’nai Brith Canada, while corporately distinct, is part of B’nai B’rith International, which is the largest Jewish sponsor of federally subsidized housing for the elderly in the United States. For more than 30 years, in a cooperative partnership with the Department of Housing and Urban Development, B’nai B’rith has made rental apartments available for senior citizens with limited incomes. B’nai B’rith senior housing is open to all qualified individuals as defined by HUD, without regard to race, color, religion, sex, handicap, or national origin.

http://lionsgatebnaibrithbuildingsociet ... g-network/



Try again.

Yeah but some on that list I posted from the City of Toronto website explicitly say that you must be Greek, Hungarian, Macedonian etc. And one of the ones on that list explicitly says you must be Christian:


McClintock Manor
416-469-1105
730 Pape Ave
nisbetlodge.com
[email protected]
• 59+ and Christian


And then there are the ones that don't publicly say it explicitly but may do it unofficially.

[BeaverFever]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

As to Gosgnach's claim that the Ontario Human Rights Commision allows the sponsors to be bigoted in who they rent to at the centres or complexes the city subsidizes -

Check it out.

http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/book/export/html/2491

Well, these orginaizations and practices have been around out in
the open for a very long time, I'm sure the politically correct secularists and human rights champions you despise so much would have taken them all to to court long ago if that were the case.

My guess is that being a private charity insulates them.

Anyway, funny how the people who complain that all the Human Rights commissions and tribunals are communist plots and want them all disbanded are suddenly crying for the Human Rights Commission to end this perceived injustice. I guess it's only an injustice when the victims appear to be white males.

[Zipperfish]

Wow. How fucked up is that. Just like Europe.

I wonder how a anything-but-Muslim social housing unit would fly?

[uwish]

hum more reasons to that religion poisons everything...

[N_Fiddledog]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Anyway, funny how the people who complain that all the Human Rights commissions and tribunals are communist plots and want them all disbanded are suddenly crying for the Human Rights Commission to end this perceived injustice. I guess it's only an injustice when the victims appear to be white males.

Why? Who was "crying for the Human Rights Commission to end this perceived injustice?"

The city's communications guy was saying their priority was working within the mandate of OHRC. I simply linked to OHRC's rules and paraphrased, "Really? Are they? Because according to what they have posted it doesn't seem that way."

Personally if I was a Toronto resident I'd be more concerned about tax dollars subsidizing one religion over another.

You point out McClintock lodge appears to be an exception. I looked into it.

They do advertise christian environment, and christian values. If you want to be subsidized you have to go through an outfit called "Housing Connections."

Here's their banner.



However here's some ammunition for you.

$1:

Mandates

Some housing providers have mandates or special requirements for people who live in their buildings. Examples of mandates are those that limit tenants to seniors, a particular ethno-specific group, artists, or Aboriginal persons. For some mandates, in addition to completing the standard application, a special mandate form signed by the housing provider is required by the client to prove his or her eligibility to be listed for the buildings (there are fewer than ten providers in the City that carry a special mandate).

So was McClintock able to get a special mandate for "Religion" as Christians?

I don't know, but I'd like to see what happens on the day McClintock comes up on a non-Christian refugee family from say Syria's waiting list and they're denied a subsidized room for Granny based on religion, then they make a phone call to the CBC.

Here's another interesting one. McClintock is connected to something called Nisbet Lodge.

Check this one out.

http://www.kaleidoscopegraphicdesign.co ... 0pages.pdf

They're bragging about 72 year old resident, Mrs. Nancoo's multi-cultural, Sri Lankan, birthday celebration.

So how bigoted can they be?

[BeaverFever]

Somebody tell you that Sri Lankan's can't be Christian?

$1:

Please note: Nisbet Lodge has a faith based designation. If you want to live here because Nisbet is a Christian home, please indicate this on your CCAC application. This will provide a slightly higher placement on the wait list.

http://www.nisbetlodge.com/looking-for- ... e-you-need

$1:

In 2002 Nisbet Lodge was officially designated as a Christian home. This designation recognizes the original intent of Calvary Church, which was to create a home for seniors, regardless of their denomination, that practiced and respected traditional Christian values.

http://www.nisbetlodge.com/about-us/his ... tock-manor

[N_Fiddledog]

Yes, because the two Christian care facilities were originally not subsidized by the government. Even now they are only partially subsidized.

So it would not surprise that a Christian subsidy might already be in place to offer a priority placement over the government one, but notice they do not outright bar non-Christians like the Muslim outfit does non-Muslims.

Nisbet only claims, "This will provide a slightly higher placement on the wait list."

And I wonder if the Muslim outfit is only partially subsidized like the Christian one is, or is it a full government subsidization.

[Lemmy]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Okay fine. Then why do Muslims want to force their way into countries like Slovakia, Iceland, Romania, Poland, and etc.?

'Cause you jackasses aren't bombing Slovakia, Iceland, Romanian and Poland.

[BartSimpson]

Lemmy Lemmy:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Okay fine. Then why do Muslims want to force their way into countries like Slovakia, Iceland, Romania, Poland, and etc.?

'Cause you jackasses aren't bombing Slovakia, Iceland, Romanian and Poland.

If those countries let in Muslims then the Muslims can fix that problem for you.

[Lemmy]

Who's on first?

[BartSimpson]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Who's on first?

Yes.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

DanSC DanSC:

I assume this isn't publicly subsidized housing?

Guess again. Which is why this is particularly odious no matter what group is doing it.

[N_Fiddledog]

This is getting interesting.

That guy stirred the pot and more cases are turning up. Over a dozen.

http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/woman-upset-a ... -1.2533277

The claim now is, "There are eight social housing buildings across Toronto that requires tenants to be of a specific ethnic or religious background, according to the city."

The details come out drip, drip, drip.

There's a flurry of excuses so we'll have to wait until the truth is filtered out of those.

One woman is worried because she waited and finally her number came up. The Muslims rejected her. She seems to believe she's going to the back of the line now.

[andyt]

So, it's not just those scummy Muslims, but it's only a story once it involves them.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Hmm...

I wonder why they didn't do a story on the Chinese, German, Hungarian, Lithuanian, Catholic, etc. etc. groups that only provide subsidized housing to people from their own communities?

Also, I notice that CTV coincidentally did a story on the same day but a Toronto Woman denied there, so it feels like someone is conducting a media campaign.

A man puts up a sign that says "Chinese only"

Another puts up a sign that says "Catholics only"

Another puts up a sign that says "Lithuanians only"

Another puts up a sign that says "Muslims only".

Headline: "Muslims denying access to non-Muslims!!!!!!"

All of which is illegal. You cannot deny a person a place to live based on race, ethnicity, religion or physical/mental ability.
Although I'm curious as to where there's any rental units in Toronto that are for "Catholics only".

Apparently it's legal for charities.

Here is a list of non-profit housing providers in the City of Toronto alone that specifically cater to certain religions or ethnicities, or other demographics (e.g. veterans). Deleted are the ones whose only exclusivity is for the disabled or elderly since those are different types of housing altogether (but if they only accept ethnic elderly, I left them on the list).

Whether or not any of the below will tolerate outsiders is hard to tell, since most understandably don't want to advertise that fact but you'll see that a few specifically state that they're only for Greeks or Hungarians, etc.

And this is form the official City o:f Toronto website

https://www1.toronto.ca/wps/portal/cont ... d60f89RCRD

So basically what you've listed is a bunch of non-profit housing, many of which are operated by Church's that generally don't discriminate when renting out their units, seniors and Veterans housing aside.
What you haven't proven is that any of those listed discriminate in renting subsidized units based on ethnicity. And in some cases the name itself might simply dissuade the "wrong" kind of person from trying to rent there. For example, I have serious doubts you'll find a lot of non-Chinese living at or applying to live at Yee Hong Chinese Evergreen Homes for example.

Now here's an interesting question for you. What's the difference between stating "No Natives" and having this:
"Wigwamen Terrace
416-481-4451
23 Lesmill Rd Unit 106
wigwamen.com
[email protected]
• 59+ and of Aboriginal ancestry

This is the kind of horseshit that bugs me too. You can state that only a certain type of person is welcome to apply for a rental unit but you can't state a certain type of person need not bother applying. Apparently only one of those scenarios is racist/bigoted. Damned if I can figure out why but I'm sure some bleeding heart will come along and lamely attempt to justify it.

But let's play Devil's advocate for a minute and assume that even half of those properties you listed engages in bigoted renting practices, it says a lot about the permissiveness of the Toronto govt and the OHRC when it comes to various special interest groups getting their own version of some kind of notwithstanding clause interpreted into the Constitution where none was ever intended.