[BartSimpson]

peck420 peck420:

The US is as incapable of attacking us and winning, as we are of them.

The world is a fickle place.

No one in 1932 would've have believed for one moment that Germany would ever be a threat to peace in Europe ever again. Yet just seven years later...

I mention seven years because I've long said that Canada's security is always up for grabs every time there's a Presidential election in the USA. Which is why I've long advocated for you folks to shore up your forces and make sure you can go it alone for a while if needs be.

As to the US being able to attack you and 'win'? What if winning isn't the aim of the attack? The US attacks lots of countries and never occupies them yet we inflict massive damage on them.

Given the growing ignorance of Americans of their own history and founding philosophies it's becoming easier and easier for our elected leaders to stray from the constraints of the Constitution and basic morality.

If the next President and his/her political party decide that attacking or annexing Canada will help them keep or secure political power then all that matters after that is to run a media campaign to convince Americans what awful fuckers you Canadians are and how you deserve to have your asses kicked and conquered.

Look at the media hate storm going on against Trump. Imagine that media monster aiming itself at Canada.

Betting your national existence on the intelligence of the American voter is not a smart move.

[CDN_PATRIOT]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

If the next President and his/her political party decide that attacking or annexing Canada will help them keep or secure political power then all that matters after that is to run a media campaign to convince Americans what awful fuckers you Canadians are and how you deserve to have your asses kicked and conquered.

Go for it. We'll make 1812 look like a picnic.

As much as I like you at times, you suffer from a core American trait: arrogance. Look where that got you in Vietnam. And Afghanistan next, because you people never seem to learn your lesson. Keep sticking your nose where it doesn't belong, and one day, you'll lose it.

The majority of the world loves Canada. The majority of the world loathes/dislikes the USA. You're not only only friend, remember that.

-J.

[fifeboy]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Look at the media hate storm going on against Trump. Imagine that media monster aiming itself at Canada.

Betting your national existence on the intelligence of the American voter is not a smart move.

The invasion of Iraq (#2)is more similar in my opinion.
Second part... yep, think WMD.

[BartSimpson]

CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

If the next President and his/her political party decide that attacking or annexing Canada will help them keep or secure political power then all that matters after that is to run a media campaign to convince Americans what awful fuckers you Canadians are and how you deserve to have your asses kicked and conquered.

Go for it. We'll make 1812 look like a picnic.

As much as I like you at times, you suffer from a core American trait: arrogance. Look where that got you in Vietnam. And Afghanistan next, because you people never seem to learn your lesson. Keep sticking your nose where it doesn't belong, and one day, you'll lose it.

The majority of the world loves Canada. The majority of the world loathes/dislikes the USA. You're not only only friend, remember that.

-J.

You're misreading me here.

I'm not trumpeting our arrogance so much as warning you of our ignorance.

[Coach85]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

peck420 peck420:

Bart,

Can you please show the actual proof that Canada has not met NATO obligations?

I will wait.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/nato-s ... -1.4022576

Even the CBC says so.

It doesn't say that at all.

In fact, there are no obligations. No treaty. It was a target that they agreed to work towards.

If you're going to share the link, read it first.

P.S. Don't believe everything Trump tells you. Based on his chronic lying, taking his word for things is a terrible idea.

[bootlegga]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

peck420 peck420:

The US is as incapable of attacking us and winning, as we are of them.

The world is a fickle place.

No one in 1932 would've have believed for one moment that Germany would ever be a threat to peace in Europe ever again. Yet just seven years later...

I mention seven years because I've long said that Canada's security is always up for grabs every time there's a Presidential election in the USA. Which is why I've long advocated for you folks to shore up your forces and make sure you can go it alone for a while if needs be.

As to the US being able to attack you and 'win'? What if winning isn't the aim of the attack? The US attacks lots of countries and never occupies them yet we inflict massive damage on them.

Given the growing ignorance of Americans of their own history and founding philosophies it's becoming easier and easier for our elected leaders to stray from the constraints of the Constitution and basic morality.

If the next President and his/her political party decide that attacking or annexing Canada will help them keep or secure political power then all that matters after that is to run a media campaign to convince Americans what awful fuckers you Canadians are and how you deserve to have your asses kicked and conquered.

Look at the media hate storm going on against Trump. Imagine that media monster aiming itself at Canada.

Betting your national existence on the intelligence of the American voter is not a smart move.

No matter how much Canada ever spends on national defence, there's no doubt that the US military could squash Canada just like it did Iraq, but the trick would be what happens next.

Unlike Iraq, Canada is next door.

Unlike Iraq, Canada is the 2nd largest country in the world.

Unlike Iraq, Canada is full of English speakers who look and sound like many Americans, so if you think your problems with terrorism are bad now...just wait.

Unlike Iraq, you probably wouldn't have a 'Coalition of the Willing', unless said coalition included North Korea, Russia and maybe China. *forgot this one

Unlike Iraq, Canada is your largest trading partner and disruption of that trade would nearly cripple your own country, at least in the short term until you could find suitable replacements for all the natural resources, energy and manufactured goods that come from Canada. You'd cause at the very least a recession in your own country, maybe even a depression if other countries decided a trade embargo would be an appropriate response to your invasion.

About the only positive is that I doubt any other nation would come to Canada's aid militarily, although a few may decide to support whatever sort of insurgency arose to US occupation.

Even a 'peaceful' annexation would cause a lot of problems integrating 35 million Canadians who are for all intents and purposes in the US, Democratic voters.

Edit: Added coalition point

[CDN_PATRIOT]

bootlegga bootlegga:

About the only positive is that I doubt any other nation would come to Canada's aid militarily.

You can't be serious.

We're so well-liked around the world, I'm pretty sure we'd get immediate help. If not from the Commonwealth, then other allies.

-J.

[bootlegga]

CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:

bootlegga bootlegga:

About the only positive is that I doubt any other nation would come to Canada's aid militarily.

You can't be serious.

We're so well-liked around the world, I'm pretty sure we'd get immediate help. If not from the Commonwealth, then other allies.

-J.

I find it highly unlikely that any nation would actively intervene militarily if the US chose to invade/annex Canada, unless it was another belligerent looking to carve out a chunk for itself (like China or Russia maybe).

Any other nation that might be supportive of our cause, like the UK, France, Germany, Australia, etc. is no match for the US either and lacks the ability to project any worthwhile-sized force into North American waters to deter the US.

At best, some countries might use their subs to smuggle weapons to support an insurgency, but an open show of force would get them crushed just as quickly as we were.

[Prof_Chomsky]

peck420 peck420:

The investment needed, to survive the next war, isn't a military item.

It is a civil one.

I'm with you on that. The best defense is not causing a war with other nations.
And as someone else posted, Canada is meeting its NATO obligations, to the letter.

And while we're on the subject, lets look at a country like China. They spend around 2% or less of GDP on defense. And what that buys them is some next gen tech that a lot of experts say is equal or better than what the US has (check out their anti-missile, anti-satellite, hyper-sonic missiles, and for that matter, what they pay in comparison to the US for them).

The point being, Trump is picking a fight over made up crap. We meet our NATO agreement. We don't stir up crap worldwide like some countries, nor do we insist on policing or bullying the world. The USA has insisted on maintaining military bases globally in foreign nations for years, and now all of a sudden the cost is too much? Hell, the best military deterrent is nuclear. So maybe Canada should just spend our entire 2% on building and maintaining a crapload of nukes. I’m sure that really helps NATO.

Or perhaps we could break every international space treaty ever signed, and do as Trump currently is, and militarize space. Spend our entire 2% on making a death ray that would make Dr. Evil blush.

[Prof_Chomsky]

bootlegga bootlegga:

CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:

bootlegga bootlegga:

About the only positive is that I doubt any other nation would come to Canada's aid militarily.

You can't be serious.

We're so well-liked around the world, I'm pretty sure we'd get immediate help. If not from the Commonwealth, then other allies.

-J.

I find it highly unlikely that any nation would actively intervene militarily if the US chose to invade/annex Canada, unless it was another belligerent looking to carve out a chunk for itself (like China or Russia maybe).

Any other nation that might be supportive of our cause, like the UK, France, Germany, Australia, etc. is no match for the US either and lacks the ability to project any worthwhile-sized force into North American waters to deter the US.

At best, some countries might use their subs to smuggle weapons to support an insurgency, but an open show of force would get them crushed just as quickly as we were.

If the US attacked it's closest ally, a member of NATO, and ally with all of western Europe,you don't think all of the rest of the NATO countries would be forced by treaty to declare war on them? And you don't think that Russia and China would use that as an excuse to join in? It would signal that the US was all of a sudden working toward world domination, and the planet would utterly crush the Americans.

All imports of oil, steel, and yes, the technology they now import to power their weapons, would be instantly cut off. The rest of the world would issue an ultimatum backed with nuclear force that if the USA went any further past their borders they'd retaliate and end the world.

What you don't seem to comprehend is the world would have no choice but to back Canada and mobilize their military. Even if they hated us and couldn't care less whether the US took our shit, the world would be utterly terrified they were next. They'd take it as a reason they could use to eliminate that threat. It would create desperate nations, and desperate nations do desperate things. And united desperate nations can accomplish a lot.

What I suspect you'd see first is the US's infrastructure would just cease to work. Everything.
Hydro plants, the internet, water, sewage, air traffic control, banking. All of it. The world would bend the US over and then say "oh jeesh, those Canucks must have been technological geniuses to be able to cripple the entire country like that 'single handedly'"
Then your crops would get some odd disease and food would be an issue, then some super flu would make everyone sick and the world would say "ah jeesh, that's really 'unlucky'".

It would only get worse from there. The world won't let the USA bully them and despite what Hollywood may have you believing, the US if far from invincible. Christ, it took them hours to scramble TWO jet fighters after a plane crashed into the World Trade Center.

[BartSimpson]

Canada cannot win a war against the USA. But Canada can deter a war by having the ability to blunt any aggression by the USA sufficiently that the price of invasion/attack would be too high for the USA.

Also, if you can deter an attack by the USA then neither Russia or China would ever contemplate it themselves.

[martin14]

Prof_Chomsky Prof_Chomsky:

Canada is meeting its NATO obligations, to the letter.

No, we aren't. Not by a long shot.

But Hillary won the election, right ?

[Robair]

martin14 martin14:

Prof_Chomsky Prof_Chomsky:

Canada is meeting its NATO obligations, to the letter.

No, we aren't. Not by a long shot.

Can you back that up?

$1:

Defence Spending: At the Wales Summit in 2014, NATO Allies pledged to invest more and better in defence – to stop the cuts, move towards spending 2% of GDP on defence by 2024, and to spend 20% of that on major equipment. We are making progress. Over the last three years, European Allies and Canada have spent almost 46 billion US dollars more on defence.

2024 already? Time flies.

[Tricks]

CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

If the next President and his/her political party decide that attacking or annexing Canada will help them keep or secure political power then all that matters after that is to run a media campaign to convince Americans what awful fuckers you Canadians are and how you deserve to have your asses kicked and conquered.

Go for it. We'll make 1812 look like a picnic.

As much as I like you at times, you suffer from a core American trait: arrogance. Look where that got you in Vietnam. And Afghanistan next, because you people never seem to learn your lesson. Keep sticking your nose where it doesn't belong, and one day, you'll lose it.

The majority of the world loves Canada. The majority of the world loathes/dislikes the USA. You're not only only friend, remember that.

-J.

Yeah that'd just be another World War, but the U.S. in the place of Germany.

[martin14]

Robair Robair:

Can you back that up?

Can you understand the year 2006 ?