[PublicAnimalNo9]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

We will always have a right to complain. That's freedom of speech.

The issue is that these OWS copy-cats don't have a real foundation to their complaining and lack credibility with anyone except those on the outer fringes of the mainstream.

Really, these protesters are just another 1%. That's about the total of the population that supports them and would rather be in a tent than vote.

Sums it up quite succinctly

[EyeBrock]

Thanks PA9!

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

Yes, the top 1 percent start at 180k. What do you think the bottom 1 percent of earners start at? Doubt you'll find that figure anywhere, but maybe 18K?

You're making it out like there's no problem in Canada. There is. It's less than in the US, and we didn't need to bail out our banks, but we still have high unemployment that looks like it's going higher. We still have only a C grade on inequality. So, are you doing one of those "it's better here than in Afghanistan to quit yer bitching" numbers? At what point in your mind do people in Canada have a right to complain?

I'm not saying there is no problem in Canada. I am saying that there is no reason to join the OWS movement.
Canada did not bail out banks, Canada did not use taxpayers money to give bailed out executives massive bonuses.

Protest all you want, but don't set up tents in a public park, "supporting OWS", when you don't have a legitimate point.
Come up with your own protest. Or maybe use Greece's crap. That would make as much sense.

[andyt]

Brenda Brenda:

I'm not saying there is no problem in Canada.

Brenda Brenda:

Protest all you want, but don't set up tents in a public park, "supporting OWS", when you don't have a legitimate point.
Come up with your own protest. Or maybe use Greece's crap. That would make as much sense.

Occupy Vancouver is called Occupy Vancouver, not Occupy Vancouver in support of Wall St. You said yourself there are problems in Canada.

But, it's also part of a worldwide phenomenon. Nothing wrong with showing support in that. 60% of Vancouverites initially supported OV.

But, as was entirely predictable, it's just turned into a drugge/homeless squat, so time for them to go. Of course maybe they should just turn it into a protest against homelessness in Vancouver, with the city and province having cut back funding this year.

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

Brenda Brenda:

I'm not saying there is no problem in Canada.

Brenda Brenda:

Protest all you want, but don't set up tents in a public park, "supporting OWS", when you don't have a legitimate point.
Come up with your own protest. Or maybe use Greece's crap. That would make as much sense.

Occupy Vancouver is called Occupy Vancouver, not Occupy Vancouver in support of Wall St. You said yourself there are problems in Canada.

But, it's also part of a worldwide phenomenon. Nothing wrong with showing support in that. 60% of Vancouverites initially supported OV.

But, as was entirely predictable, it's just turned into a drugge/homeless squat, so time for them to go. Of course maybe they should just turn it into a protest against homelessness in Vancouver, with the city and province having cut back funding this year.

The moment you use the word "Occupy", you are following OWS.

[andyt]

Brenda Brenda:

andyt andyt:

Brenda Brenda:

I'm not saying there is no problem in Canada.

Brenda Brenda:

Protest all you want, but don't set up tents in a public park, "supporting OWS", when you don't have a legitimate point.
Come up with your own protest. Or maybe use Greece's crap. That would make as much sense.

Occupy Vancouver is called Occupy Vancouver, not Occupy Vancouver in support of Wall St. You said yourself there are problems in Canada.

But, it's also part of a worldwide phenomenon. Nothing wrong with showing support in that. 60% of Vancouverites initially supported OV.

But, as was entirely predictable, it's just turned into a drugge/homeless squat, so time for them to go. Of course maybe they should just turn it into a protest against homelessness in Vancouver, with the city and province having cut back funding this year.

The moment you use the word "Occupy", you are following OWS.

Occupation, as a means of achieving change, emerged out of worker struggles that sought everything from higher wages to the abolition of capitalism. Often called a sit-down strike, it is a form of civil disobedience in which an organized group of workers, usually employed at a factory or other centralized location, take possession of the workplace by "sitting down" at their stations, effectively preventing their employers from replacing them with strikebreakers or, in some cases, moving production to other locations.
The recovered factories in Argentina is an example of workplace occupations moving beyond addressing workplace grievances, to demanding a change in ownership of the means of production.
The Industrial Workers of the World were the first American union to use it, while the United Auto Workers staged successful sit-down strikes in the 1930s, most famously in the Flint Sit-Down Strike of 1936-1937. Sit-down strikes were declared illegal by the US supreme court, but are still used by unions such as the UMWA in the Pittston strike, and the workers at the Republic Windows and Doors factory in Chicago.
[edit]Notable protest occupations

The several massive occupations of improductive land in Brazil by the hugest mass movement of the world, the Movimento dos Trabalhadores Rurais Sem Terra, from 1973 up to now [1].
Occupy Wall Street which helped spawn worldwide "Occupy" protests
2011 Spanish protests
Tahrir Square during the 2011 Egyptian Revolution
The occupation of a large number of university buildings in the UK in November 2010 and early 2011 in response to widespread cuts by the coalition Conservative-Liberal Democrat government including those to public services, welfare and all levels of education (notably the increase of tuition fees in combination to funding cuts).[2][3][4][5]
The wave of Student Occupations at universities across the UK in early 2009 [6] [7].
The 2009 UC Santa Cruz occupation of Kerr Hall, a notable administration building. [8].
The flux of student occupations at universities in New York City over the 2008-9 year, including NYU and the New School.
The February 2008 occupation of Symphony Way by the Symphony Way Pavement Dwellers after the largest home invasion in South Africa's history. Residents have occupied the main thoroughfare for 1 year and 9 months.
Cedar Revolution
The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989.
The Greenham Common Women's Peace Camp in England which began protesting the placement of nuclear-armed cruise missiles in 1981.
The 1969 occupation of Alcatraz by American Indians.
The 1969 occupation of City College by a group consisting largely of Black and Puerto Rican students that demanded and won open admissions at CUNY.
The 1968 Columbia Student Strike.
The 1936-37 GM Sit-Down Strike, in Flint, Michigan. (wiki)

[sandorski]

Brenda Brenda:

eureka eureka:

Minimum wage going up by 9% compensates for the huge gains of the 1% (it is more than that number, really)?

The income wealth gap is greater now than at any time in the history of Capitalism in North America, unless you want to consider the .1% of "Robber Barons."

The gap in North America is, by far, the widest in the world. The ills of poverty are, accordingly, most common in North America compared to the rest of the developed world.

It is iironic is that in that disparity lies the seed for the destruction of Capitalism. The 'ism that the continent purports to defend.

I think you are talking out of your ass when you are using the phrase "North America". There are 3 countries in North America, and they all differ. You can not compare the Mexican system with the US or Canadian, nor can you compare the Canadian system with the US.
You also cannot compare the Canadian or American one with any European country, not with the EU.

Like I said, I can understand why the Americans are complaining.

But there is no reason for Canadians, nor Europeans to follow this OWS movement. Unless you are going to compare Canada with Greece and go protest because the Greeks are, for their reasons.

FYI: The continent, "North America", extends from Canada to Panama.

[Brenda]

sandorski sandorski:

Brenda Brenda:

eureka eureka:

Minimum wage going up by 9% compensates for the huge gains of the 1% (it is more than that number, really)?

The income wealth gap is greater now than at any time in the history of Capitalism in North America, unless you want to consider the .1% of "Robber Barons."

The gap in North America is, by far, the widest in the world. The ills of poverty are, accordingly, most common in North America compared to the rest of the developed world.

It is iironic is that in that disparity lies the seed for the destruction of Capitalism. The 'ism that the continent purports to defend.

I think you are talking out of your ass when you are using the phrase "North America". There are 23 countries in North America, and they all differ. You can not compare the Mexican system with the US or Canadian, nor can you compare the Canadian system with the US.
You also cannot compare the Canadian or American one with any European country, not with the EU.

Like I said, I can understand why the Americans are complaining.

But there is no reason for Canadians, nor Europeans to follow this OWS movement. Unless you are going to compare Canada with Greece and go protest because the Greeks are, for their reasons.

FYI: The continent, "North America", extends from Canada to Panama.

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(thanks)

[OnTheIce]

$1:

Read it on Global News: Global News | Study shows that Canadian rich are getting richer

Probably because they know what to do with their money and don't quit their jobs to join a protest.

[BRAH]

At the start OWS had a chance to become an actual political movement but now it's turned into a joke with a bunch of naive people trying to relive the 60's.

[Bruce_the_vii]

I know this right wing programmer that went down to the demonstrations and handed out toques and mitts because he's still mad at that banks.

[Caelon]

I was reading through this thread about the empty tents and my mind began to wander. While I feel everyone has a right to protest in a peaceful manner the occupy movement has degenerated into just breaking the law as the individuals involved believe they can get away with it. Sort of like looters during a riot. Anyways some of the thoughts that passed through my mind were
1. Every night the police could remove the empty tents and contents as abandoned property.
2. Garbage bins could be placed in the park for the convienence of all and emptied every night betwen 2 AM and 4 AM using floodlights and back up beepers to increase safety. The noise of banging metal bins, diesel engines etc should not distrub anyone in a public park at that time of day.
3. As a public park it must have a sprinkler system. It would be wise to ensure adequate ground moisture for spring growth so random operation through out the day and night would be a good plan. If any person delibertly damaged a sprinkler head that would be a criminal offence. It might also be wise to clean the lines with air after each use to prevent freezing. It only makes a little noise.

[Scape]

Poor Ezra, busted again.

[Gunnair]

[Bruce_the_vii]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

We will always have a right to complain. That's freedom of speech.

The issue is that these OWS copy-cats don't have a real foundation to their complaining and lack credibility with anyone except those on the outer fringes of the mainstream.

Really, these protesters are just another 1%. That's about the total of the population that supports them and would rather be in a tent than vote.

I really think you've got the protestors mixed up with the far left, which is about 1%. The number of people that hate the banks in the USA is very high for example. I think you got the wrong slant. The tea partiers, by contrast, are cut taxes even if it means triaging Mom and Dad down in the hospital.