[Tricks]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Then, why are these kids flocking to Universities like moths to a flame?

Because they're being told to.

[Freakinoldguy]

Tricks Tricks:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Then, why are these kids flocking to Universities like moths to a flame?

Because they're being told to.

Exactly my point.

[Martin15]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

I find it odd that no one at these universities is addressing the elephant in the room which is the myth that everyone should get a university education, and that everyone who goes to university will get their dream job that pays a million more than a high school grad over their working lifetime.

What, and stop the increases in power, money and influence the leftists university
knobs are getting ?
No, everyone must be indoctrinated.

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Sadly, all those University recruiting campaigns are doing is perpetuating the misery of financial bondage and mental anguish that alot of these kids are being put into. It's time for someone to step in and turn the universities back into institutions of nothing but education rather than money making entities who'll accept pretty much anyone so long as they can pay or borrow the money.

People in fear are much easier to control.
Government loves this, and so it will continue.

[DrCaleb]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Tricks Tricks:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Then, why are these kids flocking to Universities like moths to a flame?

Because they're being told to.

Exactly my point.

You answered your own question. Kids are told that entry level positions need University Education. But University budgets are the first on the government chopping block, as are grants and bursaries. So they have to work 2 jobs, or go into massive debt to afford their degree.

And when they get out, the entry level position also requires a security check and credit report - which is affected by their debt. Then they find out the entry level position, if they are the lucky 1 out of 100 people who applied for it, doesn't pay enough to service their debt and also afford a house.

So they are worse off than if they had just gone to Tech school or a trade college, or become unhappy wage slaves.

[CharlesAnthony]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

So they have to work 2 jobs, or go into massive debt to afford their degree.

Wait..... what? You mean the kids PAY to be force-fed bullshit???

Wow! Talk about a post hoc (whateverthefuck) helicopter hoc fallacy!
It seems universities attract crazy people!!

[fifeboy]

Oh good grief! Most classes at university are course specific. Take a cytology class and...lo and behold... all they talk about is cells. There are a very few courses in shit like gender pronouns studies. I never once through all my Uni years (and this was during the Tricky Dicky years in the US, ) had a Prof in an Intro to English Lit remark on anything more controversial than Tess of the d'Urbervilles.
You want doctors, engineers, teachers, scientists or a whole lot of other stuff it’s either Universities or immigrants.

[Freakinoldguy]

fifeboy fifeboy:

You want doctors, engineers, teachers, scientists or a whole lot of other stuff it’s either Universities or immigrants.

Nobody is disputing that. What I was saying is that not every kid should be going to university just because it's become the new measuring stick for supposed success. Kids are going to University because they and their parents have been fed a line of crap that "every child should get a university education" or he/she's a failure and won't become wealthier than if they don't. And, that myth is leading to the stress, the unnecessary overbearing debt load and the mental breakdown of alot of these kids.

But, here's a question. You get all those doctors, engineers, teachers, scientists ( I noticed you left out lawyers ) and who's gonna build the buildings they work in, who's gonna staff their places of employment and who the hell's going to pay their wages if the best jobs all the other university graduates can get is at McDonalds.

Immigration seems to be the only alternative now that we have all these highly educated but under employed or unemployed graduates who can't/won't swing a hammer, wire a light or fix a toilet. So, it's gonna get real interesting in another couple of decades when our once pristine streets start to look like the places our new work force comes from.

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You're definitely old enough to remember when a University education was a privilege not a right and most families tried to get at least one child a University degree and the other sibling went into the trades, the military or found other types of work. So here's the real question. We're those non university educated siblings failures?

[DrCaleb]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

So, it's gonna get real interesting in another couple of decades when our once pristine streets start to look like the places our new work force comes from.

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Just . . .wow.

[fifeboy]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

fifeboy fifeboy:

You want doctors, engineers, teachers, scientists or a whole lot of other stuff it’s either Universities or immigrants.

Nobody is disputing that. What I was saying is that not every kid should be going to university just because it's become the new measuring stick for supposed success. Kids are going to University because they and their parents have been fed a line of crap that "every child should get a university education" or he/she's a failure and won't become wealthier than if they don't. And, that myth is leading to the stress, the unnecessary overbearing debt load and the mental breakdown of alot of these kids.

But, here's a question. You get all those doctors, engineers, teachers, scientists ( I noticed you left out lawyers ) and who's gonna build the buildings they work in, who's gonna staff their places of employment and who the hell's going to pay their wages if the best jobs all the other university graduates can get is at McDonalds.

Immigration seems to be the only alternative now that we have all these highly educated but under employed or unemployed graduates who can't/won't swing a hammer, wire a light or fix a toilet. So, it's gonna get real interesting in another couple of decades when our once pristine streets start to look like the places our new work force comes from.

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You're definitely old enough to remember when a University education was a privilege not a right and most families tried to get at least one child a University degree and the other sibling went into the trades, the military or found other types of work. So here's the real question. We're those non university educated siblings failures?

I agree with you on most of this. However, it's excess pressure on kids experiencing mental health problems that's the question. I know a girl, bright, athletic, a wonderful person who went into engineering at U of S. Fortunately her Mom, an educational psychologist recognized the symptoms and got her to take a semester off in her third year and veg at the lake. It worked! She is now a mining engineer at a Uranium mining company.

I really do think that the Krauts have the right idea. Test and assign to trades or university at about the end of grade 7.

[Freakinoldguy]

fifeboy fifeboy:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

fifeboy fifeboy:

You want doctors, engineers, teachers, scientists or a whole lot of other stuff it’s either Universities or immigrants.

Nobody is disputing that. What I was saying is that not every kid should be going to university just because it's become the new measuring stick for supposed success. Kids are going to University because they and their parents have been fed a line of crap that "every child should get a university education" or he/she's a failure and won't become wealthier than if they don't. And, that myth is leading to the stress, the unnecessary overbearing debt load and the mental breakdown of alot of these kids.

But, here's a question. You get all those doctors, engineers, teachers, scientists ( I noticed you left out lawyers ) and who's gonna build the buildings they work in, who's gonna staff their places of employment and who the hell's going to pay their wages if the best jobs all the other university graduates can get is at McDonalds.

Immigration seems to be the only alternative now that we have all these highly educated but under employed or unemployed graduates who can't/won't swing a hammer, wire a light or fix a toilet. So, it's gonna get real interesting in another couple of decades when our once pristine streets start to look like the places our new work force comes from.

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tangled-wires.jpg

You're definitely old enough to remember when a University education was a privilege not a right and most families tried to get at least one child a University degree and the other sibling went into the trades, the military or found other types of work. So here's the real question. We're those non university educated siblings failures?

I agree with you on most of this. However, it's excess pressure on kids experiencing mental health problems that's the question. I know a girl, bright, athletic, a wonderful person who went into engineering at U of S. Fortunately her Mom, an educational psychologist recognized the symptoms and got her to take a semester off in her third year and veg at the lake. It worked! She is now a mining engineer at a Uranium mining company.

I really do think that the Krauts have the right idea. Test and assign to trades or university at about the end of grade 7.

Sadly it might just have to come to the German method given that no one, especially parents like to hear their child might not be university material. But I still think grade 7 is a little young. Some kids are late bloomers and would miss out on the chance for an university education if they're placed to soon.

But I'm sure there's someone smarter than me who could figure out a system that wouldn't disadvantage late bloomers or, because of peer pressure, parent pressure and societal pressure, continue sending unsuitable or unstable kids into something that if asked they likely don't want or actually need to still be successful.