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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:17 am
I hope they don't show up at a funeral that I'm attending.
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:25 am
Proculation Proculation: Unfortunetaly, I prefer to preserve rights than to remove them piece by piece. Families of dead troops don't have the right to peace and tranquility while in mourning? And Navy, I don't think they come up north of the border.
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Brenda
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:43 am
You can't just make everything illegal that you don't like...
It all comes down to common sense and common courtesy, and lack thereof is just not illegal...
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:21 am
So from what I'm getting, you have the Constitutional right to disrupt a private funeral/burial service in the US. Fun little country you guys are developing there. 
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:23 am
Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind: Proculation Proculation: Unfortunetaly, I prefer to preserve rights than to remove them piece by piece. Families of dead troops don't have the right to peace and tranquility while in mourning? And Navy, I don't think they come up north of the border. I can talk of freedom of speech in Canada compared to the one in the USA.
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:24 am
Proculation Proculation: Unfortunetaly, I prefer to preserve rights than to remove them piece by piece. Unfortunately, one has to now play the game of which right trumps which other right. Freedom of speech is one thing, but should the freedom to be a total asswipe and disrupt someone's private funeral trump the bereaved's right to privacy?
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:37 am
Proculation Proculation: Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind: Proculation Proculation: Unfortunetaly, I prefer to preserve rights than to remove them piece by piece. Families of dead troops don't have the right to peace and tranquility while in mourning? And Navy, I don't think they come up north of the border. I can talk of freedom of speech in Canada compared to the one in the USA. I was asking you whats more important in this situation, the right to freedom of speech, or the right to privacy? The second line of my post was in reference to gonavy's comment, not yours, if that confused you. If not, then I don't understand what you were trying to say.
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Brenda
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:51 am
If the right to privacy would trump any other right, then all ID checks should be cancelled. So really, WHAT privacy?
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:01 am
Simple problem has a simple solution, at least here. If they tried to protest at a funeral here, the priest would stop the funeral so the grievers could go out and beat the living daylights out of the protesters. And most likely, the police wouldn't interfere too much. 
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:04 am
Brenda Brenda: If the right to privacy would trump any other right, then all ID checks should be cancelled. So really, WHAT privacy? What are you trying to ask? I think there is a significant difference between having privacy at a funeral when mourning a loved one and having to show ID at the counter because the clerk thinks you are under 19.
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:17 am
There's no right to privacy per se. There are rights to property tho.
That's a very shameful situation, but they should have just kicked their ass out of their property or call the police instead of going to court.
I'm not FOR the situation. I just say they used the wrong way to resolve the problem.
You cannot do anything (almost) against freedom of speech in the USA. But, you can retort with the rights you have.
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:24 am
Proculation Proculation: There's no right to privacy per se. There are rights to property tho.
That's a very shameful situation, but they should have just kicked their ass out of their property or call the police instead of going to court.
I'm not FOR the situation. I just say they used the wrong way to resolve the problem.
You cannot do anything (almost) against freedom of speech in the USA. But, you can retort with the rights you have. Can you kick someone off of a cemetery, though? I thought that it was public land, aside from your personal plot. And it wont shield you from protesters once you have to leave the cemetery to go home, to the church, etc. These people intentionally hound the families. I have no proof and can't back this up, so for now consider it here-say: but I believe they have picketed the homes of families of fallen troops in the past. If anyone knows more about this or has a link, could they throw it up please, cause I can't find anything. 
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:25 am
Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind: Proculation Proculation: Unfortunetaly, I prefer to preserve rights than to remove them piece by piece. Families of dead troops don't have the right to peace and tranquility while in mourning? And Navy, I don't think they come up north of the border. I am sometimes south of the border on assignment.
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:27 am
Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind: Proculation Proculation: There's no right to privacy per se. There are rights to property tho.
That's a very shameful situation, but they should have just kicked their ass out of their property or call the police instead of going to court.
I'm not FOR the situation. I just say they used the wrong way to resolve the problem.
You cannot do anything (almost) against freedom of speech in the USA. But, you can retort with the rights you have. Can you kick someone off of a cemetery, though? I thought that it was public land, aside from your personal plot. And it wont shield you from protesters once you have to leave the cemetery to go home, to the church, etc. These people intentionally hound the families. I have no proof and can't back this up, so for now consider it here-say: but I believe they have picketed the homes of families of fallen troops in the past. If anyone knows more about this or has a link, could they throw it up please, cause I can't find anything.  That goes with my first comment: you can't remove freedom by pieces. I totally agree that's a very bad thing but you also have to agree that if they do that, where will it end ?
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