[jj2424]

bootlegga bootlegga:

jj2424 jj2424:

There was a time where Canadians were willing to come to Alberta to work but, some where along the line they all became a bunch of lazy sheep who would prefer to sit at home in Ontario and bitch about the "dirty tarsands" with their hand open looking for "dirty tarsands" money.

Says the guy who flees Alberta when the snow flies...

Anyways, it's not realistic to expect people to uproot their families and move halfway across the country for a job.

Jealous?..enjoy shoveling.

Can you imagine if everyone had that attitude 30 or 40 years ago?
Where would be be?

How poor would this country be?

[jj2424]

peck420 peck420:

I stopped reading at "employers seem to prefer temp workers"...I figured the rest of the post would be as ridiculous as that part.

The voice of the lazy assed Canada is starting to show through.

[Jabberwalker]

I have to agree, It should be everyone's national duty to travel this country back-and-forth and to work somewhere other than where you grew up, for a time. It's quite a place.

[bootlegga]

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

bootlegga bootlegga:

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

Why not? I can think of several provincial and federal organizations that do this. It's difficult sometimes, but it is entirely realistic.

I don't think so. It's fine for 20 & 30 somethings to move across the country for work, but expecting people with mortgages, families and other commitments to just uproot themselves and hope that the move is a successful one.

You need to take a closer look at how the military and RCMP work, my friend. That is exactly how it goes all the time. It's better now then it was in the 90s, but it's starting to turn around again.

That's fine - I would expect anyone marrying an RCMP officer or soldier would expect that kind of life. Not only that, a transfer within those organizations is usually a promotion or career advancement and they assist you in your move (at least that's what they used to do when my father was in the RCAF).

It's an entirely different situation when you marry a salesman, tradesmen or professional. It makes far more economic sense to re-train people for jobs in their region than expecting families to uproot themselves and move halfway across the country for a job.

That's what we've been doing for decades and it works better than expecting people to become migrant labourers, shifting from place to place for work.

[bootlegga]

jj2424 jj2424:

bootlegga bootlegga:

jj2424 jj2424:

There was a time where Canadians were willing to come to Alberta to work but, some where along the line they all became a bunch of lazy sheep who would prefer to sit at home in Ontario and bitch about the "dirty tarsands" with their hand open looking for "dirty tarsands" money.

Says the guy who flees Alberta when the snow flies...

Anyways, it's not realistic to expect people to uproot their families and move halfway across the country for a job.

Jealous?..enjoy shoveling.

Can you imagine if everyone had that attitude 30 or 40 years ago?
Where would be be?

How poor would this country be?

Jealous - not at all. I've been to Phoenix and have no interest in going back. If I was going to be a snowbird, I can think of far better places than that.

[andyt]

bootlegga bootlegga:

It's an entirely different situation when you marry a salesman, tradesmen or professional. It makes far more economic sense to re-train people for jobs in their region than expecting families to uproot themselves and move halfway across the country for a job.

That's what we've been doing for decades and it works better than expecting people to become migrant labourers, shifting from place to place for work.

No we haven't, which is why we keep importing people. We're not training enough Canadians, find it cheaper to steal them from other countries once that country has borne the expense of training the person. From doctors on down.

In some ways, the situation is similar to native reserves. If there are no jobs in the region people live, then they should move to where people are needed. Americans do that much more than we do. It does make for a more rootless society, but it seems better to me than maintaining Canadians on welfare/EI/underemployment while importing people. Young people, certainly, should expect to move to where the jobs are.

What we need to do tho is match employers and employees better so that people actually have a specific job to move to, nut just uproot on spec and then find nothing in the new place. We need more nationalized training and job strategies instead of letting each province do their own thing.

[andyt]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Jealous - not at all. I've been to Phoenix and have no interest in going back. If I was going to be a snowbird, I can think of far better places than that.

Agreed. Did not care for Phoenix at all. Tucson is already much nicer. Flagstaff even more so.

[fifeboy]

jj2424 jj2424:

peck420 peck420:

I stopped reading at "employers seem to prefer temp workers"...I figured the rest of the post would be as ridiculous as that part.

The voice of the lazy assed Canada is starting to show through.

WOW! We are lucky we have you, Canada's only hard workin' guy, here to tell us how it's to be done. We are lucky!

[jj2424]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Jealous - not at all. I've been to Phoenix and have no interest in going back. If I was going to be a snowbird, I can think of far better places than that.

On 70 grand a year you won't be snowbirding anywhere in your lifetime.

[jj2424]

andyt andyt:

bootlegga bootlegga:

Jealous - not at all. I've been to Phoenix and have no interest in going back. If I was going to be a snowbird, I can think of far better places than that.

Agreed. Did not care for Phoenix at all. Tucson is already much nicer. Flagstaff even more so.

Tucson is a shithole outside of the resorts. If you knew fuck all about AZ you would know Flagastaff is at 7200 ft...it snows up there so why the fuck would somebody want to be a snowbird there.?


If I want to go skiing I can drive an hour and a half to Flag. The northtip of PHx is the place to be.....just south of Anthem and west of Scottsdale.

Its -3 in Flagstaff and 21 in Phoenix as I type this you moron.

[Zipperfish]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

I have to agree, It should be everyone's national duty to travel this country back-and-forth and to work somewhere other than where you grew up, for a time. It's quite a place.

They do in the States. Mind you, the disctances are a lot smaller there. Still, most of teh Americans I know move to wear the work is, often picking up their families with them.

I looked into the oil patch when I was younger. To tell you the truth, I didn't think the money was that great, for having to move to Alberta. Had a bunch of friends move there. Some made out like bandits. Others are stuck on the consulting treadmill. All in all, glad I stayed in Vancouver.

[Jabberwalker]

$1:

the disctances are a lot smaller there.

That's 'cause they're doing them in miles instead of Kms.

[bootlegga]

andyt andyt:

bootlegga bootlegga:

It's an entirely different situation when you marry a salesman, tradesmen or professional. It makes far more economic sense to re-train people for jobs in their region than expecting families to uproot themselves and move halfway across the country for a job.

That's what we've been doing for decades and it works better than expecting people to become migrant labourers, shifting from place to place for work.

No we haven't, which is why we keep importing people. We're not training enough Canadians, find it cheaper to steal them from other countries once that country has borne the expense of training the person. From doctors on down.

In some ways, the situation is similar to native reserves. If there are no jobs in the region people live, then they should move to where people are needed. Americans do that much more than we do. It does make for a more rootless society, but it seems better to me than maintaining Canadians on welfare/EI/underemployment while importing people. Young people, certainly, should expect to move to where the jobs are.

What we need to do tho is match employers and employees better so that people actually have a specific job to move to, nut just uproot on spec and then find nothing in the new place. We need more nationalized training and job strategies instead of letting each province do their own thing.

Sure we do - look at all the retraining programs for fishermen and others in the Maritimes.

I agree we don't do enough of it, but we do undertake to retrain some people.

[andyt]

As I said, we could do a much better job than we are doing. As indicated by the suggestion we import people. Canadians aren't stupid, they can learn those skills, and our unemployment is high enough that there are many who would love to have those jobs if they could get the training. Probably lots of people with BA's too.

It's not just up to the govt - industry needs to step up too and be willing to put in the time and money train Canadians.

[BRAH]

One company spent at least one hundred thousand bringing technicians from Poland setting them up with housing, tools etc to only have the technicans return to Poland. When asked why they didn't look at the US their answer was it wasn't practical.