[commanderkai]

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DerbyX DerbyX:

your stormfront brethern

F*** you.

Oh yes, you're just full of logical arguments today aren't you?

I didn't realize there was a logical statement by being called a member of Stormfront. Silly me.

[BartSimpson]

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

I'm worried about "Rep"?

Obviously, you're not.

[HyperionTheEvil]

commanderkai commanderkai:

I didn't realize there was a logical statement by being called a member of Stormfront. Silly me.

If he's is representative of the 18th century that's his problem.

To whit:

post1681642#p1681642

$1:

The race thing here anymore is not at all what it used to be. It's gotten ridiculously complex and, forgive me, but most of the problem is on the black side.

While Hispanics have similar demographic problems, they embrace social mobility. Meaning that a gang-banger from East LA can go to college, earn a degree, and then get a job with a good firm, live in the burbs, drive a BMW, and he is not rejected by his 'homies' for being a success. With the Hispanics it's okay to be a success.

The blacks in a similar situation deliberately eschew educational opportunities (unless they're attached to a football or basketball scholarship) and they openly denounce their fellows who succeed and move out of the ghetto. This 'racial identity' thing they have going on alienates whites, but would you believe that the people it most deeply alienates are black African immigrants!

I know a number of very hard working and outstanding people from Nigeria and Ghana here in Sacramento and they gravitate to white institutions (churches and etc) and they are openly derisive of black Americans. My point being that the lion's share of the apparent racism you're observing is really a cultural thing that is isolated to one demographic. If it were truly a race issue then the African immigrants would not be as successful as they are.

First rules of politically acceptable racism, blame the people who are the of the victim of racism. That way you can say a few things in your defence.

1.) "Im not racist but...."
2.) "The problem is with (insert race here)"
3.) "I have (insert minority) friends"

[CharlieHammer]

HyperionTheEvil, you sure are caught up on this race thing, vehemently crusading against all racists. Ever seen the movie "American Beauty"? Sometimes the things we so deliberately attack are the things we are most ashamed of being...

[GreenTiger]

Freedom of speech is alive and well on CKA.

[Zipperfish]

Not if you say "nazi-boy!"!

[HyperionTheEvil]

CharlieHammer CharlieHammer:

HyperionTheEvil, you sure are caught up on this race thing, vehemently crusading against all racists. Ever seen the movie "American Beauty"? Sometimes the things we so deliberately attack are the things we are most ashamed of being...

Funny you should use the word "Crusade".

But in the event i happen to think that racism should be called out wherever it is, today's bigoted morons are a bit more sophisticated. They blame the people who have been victim to racism and then cover themselves quickly with something to the effect of "I'm just saying"

There was a time when jokes about Jews or Blacks were considered socially acceptable, today it involves more weasel words about how "They're not racist,but..." the effect is the same.

[BartSimpson]

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

If he's is representative of the 18th century that's his problem.

To whit:

post1681642#p1681642

$1:

The race thing here anymore is not at all what it used to be. It's gotten ridiculously complex and, forgive me, but most of the problem is on the black side.

While Hispanics have similar demographic problems, they embrace social mobility. Meaning that a gang-banger from East LA can go to college, earn a degree, and then get a job with a good firm, live in the burbs, drive a BMW, and he is not rejected by his 'homies' for being a success. With the Hispanics it's okay to be a success.

The blacks in a similar situation deliberately eschew educational opportunities (unless they're attached to a football or basketball scholarship) and they openly denounce their fellows who succeed and move out of the ghetto. This 'racial identity' thing they have going on alienates whites, but would you believe that the people it most deeply alienates are black African immigrants!

I know a number of very hard working and outstanding people from Nigeria and Ghana here in Sacramento and they gravitate to white institutions (churches and etc) and they are openly derisive of black Americans. My point being that the lion's share of the apparent racism you're observing is really a cultural thing that is isolated to one demographic. If it were truly a race issue then the African immigrants would not be as successful as they are.

First rules of politically acceptable racism, blame the people who are the of the victim of racism. That way you can say a few things in your defence.

1.) "Im not racist but...."
2.) "The problem is with (insert race here)"
3.) "I have (insert minority) friends"

1. I complimented Hispanics by noting that even the members of their lowest social group can embrace social mobility. I am not sure how that is 'racist'.

2. I said nothing about blacks that hasn't been said first by Bill Cosby, Chris Rock, Colin Powell, Walter E. Williams, JC Watts, or etc.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1393-Educatio ... -education

[DerbyX]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Sunni Muslim Saudi Arabia has given taciturn approval for Israel to attack Shiite Iran.

I thought I'd clarify that for you. Putting this in context it is akin to Catholic Italy giving pagan Norway taciturn approval to attack Protestant Germany in the 1600's. It does not mean that Saudi Arabia is playing kissy-face with Israel, they aren't. It just means that Saudi Arabia would rather see Israel destroy Iran's growing nuclear capability than for Saudi Arabia to have to eventually deal with Iran's recurring territorial claims in the United Arab Emirates and the implications of those claims on Saudi Arabia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territoria ... rsian_Gulf

Irrelevant. If you are going to post racist garbage like Muslims want to exterminate all Jews then be prepared to defend that POV.

I countered it nicely by showing that far from pursuing that goal, Muslim nations (even those adhering to the very extremism you claim advocates that goal) are in fact following a nation-centric goal no different then our nations.

[HyperionTheEvil]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

If he's is representative of the 18th century that's his problem.

To whit:

post1681642#p1681642

$1:

The race thing here anymore is not at all what it used to be. It's gotten ridiculously complex and, forgive me, but most of the problem is on the black side.

While Hispanics have similar demographic problems, they embrace social mobility. Meaning that a gang-banger from East LA can go to college, earn a degree, and then get a job with a good firm, live in the burbs, drive a BMW, and he is not rejected by his 'homies' for being a success. With the Hispanics it's okay to be a success.

The blacks in a similar situation deliberately eschew educational opportunities (unless they're attached to a football or basketball scholarship) and they openly denounce their fellows who succeed and move out of the ghetto. This 'racial identity' thing they have going on alienates whites, but would you believe that the people it most deeply alienates are black African immigrants!

I know a number of very hard working and outstanding people from Nigeria and Ghana here in Sacramento and they gravitate to white institutions (churches and etc) and they are openly derisive of black Americans. My point being that the lion's share of the apparent racism you're observing is really a cultural thing that is isolated to one demographic. If it were truly a race issue then the African immigrants would not be as successful as they are.

First rules of politically acceptable racism, blame the people who are the of the victim of racism. That way you can say a few things in your defence.

1.) "Im not racist but...."
2.) "The problem is with (insert race here)"
3.) "I have (insert minority) friends"

1. I complimented Hispanics by noting that even the members of their lowest social group can embrace social mobility. I am not sure how that is 'racist'.

2. I said nothing about blacks that hasn't been said first by Bill Cosby, Chris Rock, Colin Powell, Walter E. Williams, JC Watts, or etc.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1393-Educatio ... -education

I'm sure the Hispanics in Arizona are completely relieved by your new found cultural sensitivity

But here is something that Limbaugh had to say about Colin Powell when he endorsed Barak Obama

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/geoffrey- ... 36019.html

$1:

Almost immediately, the bombastic Limbaugh fired off an email that bristled with an overt racism. "Secretary Powell says his endorsement is not about race," Limbaugh wrote. "OK, fine. I am now researching his past endorsements to see if I can find all the inexperienced, very liberal, white candidates he has endorsed. I'll let you know what I come up with."

Yup, Mr Limbaugh is still the best when it comes to race baiting.

[BartSimpson]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Irrelevant. If you are going to post racist garbage like Muslims want to exterminate all Jews then be prepared to defend that POV.

First, Muslims are not a race anymore than Christians are. Second, over the past five years I've quoted Muslims saying these exact same things and forgive me, but how many Muslims have been banned from this stie for saying such things? Hmmmm?

DerbyX DerbyX:

I countered it nicely by showing that far from pursuing that goal, Muslim nations (even those adhering to the very extremism you claim advocates that goal) are in fact following a nation-centric goal no different then our nations.

The House of Saud will protect its own interests by whatever means that suit it. If they are following the West in this instance then I'm not sure why you're impressed by them because the aspect of the West they're following is something you often call one of our worst traits.

[commanderkai]

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

If he's is representative of the 18th century that's his problem.

First rules of politically acceptable racism, blame the people who are the of the victim of racism. That way you can say a few things in your defence.

1.) "Im not racist but...."
2.) "The problem is with (insert race here)"
3.) "I have (insert minority) friends"

"Victims" of racism? You do realize racism is beyond what it was in the 18th century too, right? Racism isn't just a "white" issue. Hell, the terms "Oreo" or "Uncle Tom" are racial slurs made by blacks against OTHER BLACKS. Blacks, hispanics, Asians, Arabs, and whatever other race that is considered a minority can be as racist as whites.

Did you not read what he said? He didn't say it was a racial issue, but a cultural issue. Black immigrants from Africa don't have the same attitudes as you might see with some blacks who were born in the US. He specifically states its a CULTURAL issue.

You're making it sound like Bart states that "all people from East LA are gangbangers", or that "blacks are held down 'cause they're black, and blacks are really stupid."

[DerbyX]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

First, Muslims are not a race anymore than Christians are. Second, over the past five years I've quoted Muslims saying these exact same things and forgive me, but how many Muslims have been banned from this stie for saying such things? Hmmmm?

Would you prefer bigoted garbage? I'll use that term to describe it from no on if you like. No credible authority is claiming Muslims are trying to exterminate all Jews regardless of what a few nuts have said.

Should I then take it that Biblical_Christian represents you? How about old Freddy Phelps? Hell, how about the evangelists in your country?

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The House of Saud will protect its own interests by whatever means that suit it. If they are following the West in this instance then I'm not sure why you're impressed by them because the aspect of the West they're following is something you often call one of our worst traits.

You don't get it do you? Who cares if they are pursuing their own interests. I can say the same thing about any country and any identifiable group.

The simple fact is that in direct contrary to your statement that all of Islam pursues a single minded goal of 1) Extermination of Jews and 2) World domination; the various Muslim nations are not doing that.

My example busts your point quite thoroughly.

[CharlieHammer]

DerbyX DerbyX:

The simple fact is that in direct contrary to your statement that all of Islam pursues a single minded goal of 1) Extermination of Jews and 2) World domination; the various Muslim nations are not doing that.

My example busts your point quite thoroughly.

Can't destroy others until your foundation is devoid of cracks. So essentially, the Sauds using the Israelis to defeat the internal rifts of Islam is just a means to an end-- that end being global Islam.

[HyperionTheEvil]

commanderkai commanderkai:

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

If he's is representative of the 18th century that's his problem.

First rules of politically acceptable racism, blame the people who are the of the victim of racism. That way you can say a few things in your defence.

1.) "Im not racist but...."
2.) "The problem is with (insert race here)"
3.) "I have (insert minority) friends"

"Victims" of racism? You do realize racism is beyond what it was in the 18th century too, right? Racism isn't just a "white" issue. Hell, the terms "Oreo" or "Uncle Tom" are racial slurs made by blacks against OTHER BLACKS. Blacks, hispanics, Asians, Arabs, and whatever other race that is considered a minority can be as racist as whites.

Did you not read what he said? He didn't say it was a racial issue, but a cultural issue. Black immigrants from Africa don't have the same attitudes as you might see with some blacks who were born in the US. He specifically states its a CULTURAL issue.

You're making it sound like Bart states that "all people from East LA are gangbangers", or that "blacks are held down 'cause they're black, and blacks are really stupid."

And that's what i think he's saying. By blaming a "Culture" one gets to impune an an entire people with the safety switch of saying "I wasn't saying all blacks". It's the unfortunate product of a country like the US declaiming that "Muslims are bad" when they themselves held black people in slavery and still haven't some to terms with.

Some of them are prone to say "Were tired of hearing about Slavery, it's over", not when the residual discrimination against minorities still exists. As i said before there was a time- and not that long ago- when racial jokes were socially acceptable and some people, for whatever reason found them amusing. Eventually we learned that they weren't. Though not everyone has picked up on that lesson either

It took a civil war for slavery to end ,but then another 100 years before Martin Luther King to finally and literally march for equal rights and and acknowledgment of what was done to them.

You see if somone says out loud, "I Don't like Blacks, or Hispanics" they are (hopefully and properly shunned) But today it's easier and much safer to, "It's their own fault, its their culture"

Racism is still racism, people can and do spin it out as much as possible. Now forgive me if i don't tolerate racial bigotry or bigotry based upon homo-sexuality, or the work that some people do to keep women from having control over thier own bodies. But we keep telling ourselves , and others ,that the West is a beacon of hope (or something or other) but we cant in any fair way say that it is true until we make sure equal right are enshrined and irrational dislikes based upon pigmentation - " culture" , sex or sexuality are shown for what they are