[EyeBrock]

Public outrage in the UK grows....


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... roops.html

[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Bush responded to what was the consensus of the political thought of the Western world at the time. Given that Iraq had ignored UN sanctions for ten years at that point Iraq needed to be invaded just to put an end to the sanctions that were causing common Iraqis to starve to death. Had Al Gore won the election in 2000 it is highly likely that Gore would've made the same decision.

So goes the myth, yes. In actual fact there were many people ringing the alarm bells about the poor quality of the information coming from the Bush and Blair regimes, not the least of whom included the head of the UN committee looking into WMD in Iraq. Certainly our Prime Minister, Jean Chretien, knew a dud when he saw it and thus declined participation in that fiasco wrapped in a debacle that resulted in the deaths of a hundred or hundreds of thousands of civilians. Certainly they were mostly Muslim, but many of them probably weren't even old enough to know that.

Now since the US and Britain were party to this, their views are not the most objective. Nobody likes to take responsiblity for things like Abu Ghraib, and its very convenient to forget all about them.

For those of us outside, (and who, unlike most cable news watchers, have a memory longer than four months) we see the Muslim-Christian struggle in the larger context.

[EyeBrock]

This one is from more than 4 months ago. I remembered.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... Luton.html

[Proculation]

Arrest them all for treason and throw them in a big dark prison cell for the rest of their terrorist life.

[Zipperfish]

Proculation Proculation:

Arrest them all for treason and throw them in a big dark prison cell for the rest of their terrorist life.

Kim Jong-Il? Is that you?

[EyeBrock]

Well, at least the Brits know who their enemy within is.

[BartSimpson]

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

My point of the a more harsh treatment from the South (At least the Old South, my Grandmother's Mountain Virginia types) is that they tend to have a lot more firearms down there legal and Illegal and there is a Southern institution that used to ride at night expressing their freedom of speech.

Vermont has the distinction of being the state that has always had the least amount of gun controls in the USA and they are not in the South. As to the KKK what most empowered the KKK was Northern opposition to black power. Woodrow Wilson, a noted Northern liberal, was also a KKK member.

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

in a more direct manner. They wouldn't be kicking the crap out of them, they would be kicking the chair on that standing on under a tree. At the very least the leather whips they usually carry would be put to good use. They tend to be less politically correct down there.

No one would be lynched in the South in this day and age. Shot, maybe. But the South now has a cultural aversion to lynching and even the most ardent racists shy away at the mere suggestion of doing such a thing. And no one carries a whip around anymore.

[martin14]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Well, at least the Brits know who their enemy within is.

Yes, and the ones who continually apologize for them.


Really pathetic to see these things.

[EyeBrock]

I agree Martin.

We have been let down big time by our so called 'leaders'. What were and are they thinking?

[EyeBrock]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

My point of the a more harsh treatment from the South (At least the Old South, my Grandmother's Mountain Virginia types) is that they tend to have a lot more firearms down there legal and Illegal and there is a Southern institution that used to ride at night expressing their freedom of speech.

Vermont has the distinction of being the state that has always had the least amount of gun controls in the USA and they are not in the South. As to the KKK what most empowered the KKK was Northern opposition to black power. Woodrow Wilson, a noted Northern liberal, was also a KKK member.

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

in a more direct manner. They wouldn't be kicking the crap out of them, they would be kicking the chair on that standing on under a tree. At the very least the leather whips they usually carry would be put to good use. They tend to be less politically correct down there.

No one would be lynched in the South in this day and age. Shot, maybe. But the South now has a cultural aversion to lynching and even the most ardent racists shy away at the mere suggestion of doing such a thing. And no one carries a whip around anymore.

Things race wise are still pretty fucked up in the US Bart. I don't know what it is with you guys, black and white.

I saw a few distasteful things when I was active and worked with the US military.

My in-laws live in St Petes, FLA and are Legion members. I visit when we are down there and it's an all white Legion with plenty of racism ringing around those hallowed halls. No black guys go in.

Now I know there were and are plenty of black guys in the US military as I worked with them, yet they have basically segregated Legions. Not good mate.

[BartSimpson]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Things race wise are still pretty fucked up in the US Bart. I don't know what it is with you guys, black and white.

I saw a few distasteful things when I was active and worked with the US military.

My in-laws live in St Petes, FLA and are Legion members. I visit when we are down there and it's an all white Legion with plenty of racism ringing around those hallowed halls. No black guys go in.

St. Pete is around 71-75% white and, to be frank, most black vets can't afford to live there so not seeing a lot of black guys at a legion hall in St. Pete is about right.

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Now I know there were and are plenty of black guys in the US military as I worked with them, yet they have basically segregated Legions. Not good mate.

I am not a member of the Legion mostly because it's an old boys drinking club. The segregation thing, anymore, is a voluntary thing on the part of the blacks. It's rather ironic that Rosa Parks fought for the right for blacks to sit at the front of the bus, but if you go to any major US city you will find the blacks going to the back of the bus all on their own. You also find them attending their own colleges, their own churches, their own stores, and etc.

There are some very wonderful exceptions to this problem, but the problem is there and black celebrities like Chris Rock and Bill Cosby have made their recent careers out of denouncing this aspect of their culture that demands that they self-segregate.

It ain't us, bro.

[EyeBrock]

It 'aint you guys as much as it used to be mate but you know what I'm saying. And you guys know I'm a friend of the US.

[2Cdo]

EB, as a Canadian training with the US military we were often told that certain clubs on base were "off-limits" to whites! It would seem that blacks in the US can be as bad, or even worse, as white racists. Both sides need to break down this barrier, but Bart pointed out that oftentimes it is blacks choosing to segregate, and then black listing any blacks that dare to "act white".

[GreenTiger]

It is agreed that if fundamentalist Moslems were to start booing US Troops returning home they could be the living daylights kicked out of them and/or possibly shot.

[EyeBrock]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

EB, as a Canadian training with the US military we were often told that certain clubs on base were "off-limits" to whites! It would seem that blacks in the US can be as bad, or even worse, as white racists. Both sides need to break down this barrier, but Bart pointed out that oftentimes it is blacks choosing to segregate, and then black listing any blacks that dare to "act white".

I agree mate. The blacks in the south seem as racist as the whites. Huge barriers obviously still exist in the US.

If you've ever been on Ex's/Ops with the Yanks, you'll have seen the social gatherings where there were racial cliques of whites, blacks, Hispanics etc, all huddling in their own ethnic groups.

Very weird I thought.

I remember how funny the Yanks, black and white, found black Brits and their regional accents that were clones of the white English accents.

They all just had this stereo typical view of how Black guys should speak. To me, he was just a Brit who was black.

I don’t think the US is quite there on that way of thinking yet. It is getting better though.