[weaselways]

I'd more concerned of a US invasion over water rights & export than offshore powers taking a run at Canada

[martin14]

Then just for the hell of it let's suppose the US actually does start to default.

The Chinese would become one of your aforementioned nothing to lose countries,
and come to collect like the repo man.


OK, its a bit of speculation, the main story is also speculation.. the possibility exists.

[BartSimpson]

QBall QBall:

Considering the financial crisis many of Europe's nations are in now do you really think the ones that are surviving would want to shoot themselves in the foot by invading a neighbour?

People said much the same thing in 1930.

[DanSC]

martin14 martin14:

Then just for the hell of it let's suppose the US actually does start to default.

The Chinese would become one of your aforementioned nothing to lose countries,
and come to collect like the repo man.


OK, its a bit of speculation, the main story is also speculation.. the possibility exists.

Even if China held all of the U.S. debt held by foreign states, they'd hardly get to repossess the entire country.

If the worst came, I suppose we could give China Hawaii, Guam, American Samoa, and some other Pacific Islands and call it even.

[BartSimpson]

DanSC DanSC:

If the worst came, I suppose we could give China Hawaii, Guam, American Samoa, and some other Pacific Islands and call it even.

I'm thinking the US invades Mexico, Guatamala, Honduras, Belize, Nicaragua, El Salvador, and Costa Rica and then we fix those countries up somewhat and then flip them to the Chinese for our debt plus, say, another couple trillion dollars. Then we do a trade embargo with China so they can't pay what they owe for Latin America and then we foreclose on them, put some new paint and carpets down, and then we flip it again this time to, say, India.

With my plan Latin America gets some decent infrastructure, the US gets out of debt, and China and India get to dabble with imperialism.

Waddaya say?

[DanSC]

I think an invader would come after the USA before Canada. There once was a time when no foreign powers wanted to invade the USA, as most citizen were armed and proficient with their guns. Now we just have the elite warriors you see below.

[weaselways]

Bart, Central America has been the US's playground for more than a century. Creating countries (Panama).Toppling governments and fomenting revolution (Guatemala, Nicaragua, Honduras). The Panama Canal project & United Fruit furthering American corpoeate interests. I'm somewhat surprised that 70 years ago several of the CA countries weren't admitted as 48th to 52nd states of the union.

[DanSC]

weaselways weaselways:

I'm somewhat surprised that 70 years ago several of the CA countries weren't admitted as 48th to 52nd states of the union.

Don't flatter yourself. If we're going to steal land for another state, we'll get somewhere nice like Baja California

[QBall]

martin14 martin14:

Then just for the hell of it let's suppose the US actually does start to default.

The Chinese would become one of your aforementioned nothing to lose countries,
and come to collect like the repo man.


OK, its a bit of speculation, the main story is also speculation.. the possibility exists.

I have no idea, as I have no idea how debt and debt recall amongst countries actually works. All I know is a bank would use foreclosure as the very last resort. It's more advantageous to keep a person in their home and working with them to keep them paying their debt and paying their interest rather than foreclosing and trying to sell a home no one wants or can afford.

[BartSimpson]

QBall QBall:

All I know is a bank would use foreclosure as the very last resort. It's more advantageous to keep a person in their home and working with them to keep them paying their debt and paying their interest rather than foreclosing and trying to sell a home no one wants or can afford.

Yet the banks pay their staffs a 'foreclosure bonus' so bank employees make more money foreclosing on homes than they do on saving them.

The US Federal government's mortgage loan restructuring program in its first nineteen months of existence saved exactly one home.

That's because the banks stall and stymie any and all apllications for loan modification and they'd rather foreclose on people than do anything resembling the law that Congress passed.

[raydan]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Yet the banks pay their staffs a 'foreclosure bonus' so bank employees make more money foreclosing on homes than they do on saving them.

The US Federal government's mortgage loan restructuring program in its first nineteen months of existence saved exactly one home.

That's because the banks stall and stymie any and all apllications for loan modification and they'd rather foreclose on people than do anything resembling the law that Congress passed.

I wonder how different Canadian and American banks are?

I worked 23 years in banks here and never heard of a foreclosure bonus. As long as owners seriously wanted to work with us to keep their house, we would pretty much never foreclose. There was NO WAY we could make more money foreclosing than working with the client to keep the house or sell.

[Praxius]

martin14 martin14:

Our CKA poster Bart has been saying this for years, all the while the lefties are cheering the slow decay of the USA.

Be careful what you wish for...

If our nation has to rely completely on another nation for our defence, then we're not really a nation are we?

Besides, why would we have to rely only on the US?

We are a part of the Commonwealth don't forget..... and unless they finally scrap NATO, we're a member of that as well.

The US isn't our only Ally and if our nation was attacked or invaded, to get a general idea of just how our people can rise to the challenge & show how we can put the boots to anybody when push comes to shove.

WWI practically established Canada as a Nation. Even though our population is smaller then most other nations, we contributed & sacraficed much more then what some other nations did during WWI. Our troops were basically classified as "Shock Troops"

"According to Ward, the Australian and Canadian divisions deployed amongst British forces in France quickly came to be regarded as the best shock troops in the Allied ranks due to their ferocity in battle, and were employed accordingly."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_troops#World_War_I

"For a nation of eight million people, Canada's war effort was widely regarded as remarkable. A total of 619,636 men and women served in the Canadian forces in the First World War, and of these 66,655 were killed and another 172,950 were wounded. Canadian sacrifices are commemorated at eight memorials in France and Belgium."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Canada

"British Prime Minister Lloyd George wrote, "The Canadians played a part of such distinction that thenceforward they were marked out as shock troops; for the remainder of the war they were brought along to head the assault in one great battle after another. Whenever the Germans found the Canadian Corps coming into the line they prepared for the worst."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_h ... orld_War_I

Our forces were sent in to do the work other nation's troops failed to do. I can't remember the exact wording the Germans used, but the translation was "Hard to Cook (Kill)"

Then there was WWII.

And many other military conflicts including the current conflicts, such as Afghanistan, where our troops were tossed into one of the most volatile areas of the country where they stayed since..... to this date, considering everything that has occurred, considering how much combat our troops have experienced over there, some would expect our loses to be much higher, and the amount of civilian casualties at our hands would be much greater (when we only have a handful of incidents tied to our forces, compared to many other allied nations)

The point being is Yes, funding & support for our troops is dismal at best, yes we might not have the most technologically advanced equipment & vehicles out there, but the training, experience, professionalism & resourcefulness of our troops & our people are just as good as any other nation.... better then some actually.

And if our nation was attacked or invaded, you wouldn't have any concerns with getting people signing up & our war machine back into operation.

[martin14]

Praxius Praxius:

martin14 martin14:

Our CKA poster Bart has been saying this for years, all the while the lefties are cheering the slow decay of the USA.

Be careful what you wish for...

If our nation has to rely completely on another nation for our defence, then we're not really a nation are we?

Besides, why would we have to rely only on the US?

We are a part of the Commonwealth don't forget..... and unless they finally scrap NATO, we're a member of that as well.

OK, let's have a real look at your statement.

Commonwealth:

Britain - soon to have armed forces as small as ours, massive cuts coming.
Australia - as small as we are, and very far away.
India / Pakistan - wouldn't send, too busy keeping troops facing each other.
In case of a Chinese attack, they would be too afraid of a land counter attack.

The African Commonwealth countries aren't worth mentioning as far as military capability.

We might get some equipment from the Commonwealth, it wouldnt be enough
to make a difference.


NATO:

seriously, you must be kidding. These countries were completely unable to even
take care of anything in Yugoslavia, and that was much more recent than WW1 or 2.
All the heavy lifting in that war was done by the US. As usual.
Remember who was the lead in '99 with the Serbs, again a European situation ?

The Euro pussies would do nothing but whine and wring their hands.
In case of a Russian attack, they would too afraid of a counter in Europe
to do anything at all.


To think anything else about our 'allies' is nothing more than a Dippers wet dream.

You are welcome to try and prove me wrong.

$1:

And if our nation was attacked or invaded, you wouldn't have any concerns with getting people signing up & our war machine back into operation.

Oh really ? Please tell me where are the shipyards and expertise to build ships ?
The factories to produce almost a million trucks for the effort in WW2 ?
Facilities to produce aircraft and train pilots ?
Tanks ?

Oh hey, hows about telling me where we have the factories to produce bullets
for the infantry ?


I don't doubt Canadian fighting spirit. I also don't doubt any real invasion
from either Russia or China would be much more massive than anything we could defend
against. Barbarossa style.

As Joe Stalin said, " quantity has a quality all its own. "


The only thing holding these countries back is they know any seaborne invasion attempt
would be immediately chopped to bits by those US carrier groups..... today.


We should at least be able to defend ourselves for a couple of weeks,
until the US can get itself involved. That is our only chance.

[CDN_PATRIOT]

While I don't personally think anyone would ever try to invade Canada, I do however believe that more than just the U.S. would have our backs assuming we started to get beaten up bad. You know the British would jump in and help out, not to mention France. Because of the respect we get globally, I have no doubt that other countries would come to our aid as well. The Netherlands, Australia, even Germany.

Also, if something were to happen and the Canadian forces get overwhelmed by enemy forces don't discount the Canadian people to get involved. If someone invaded and freedom was at stake, I'd rush up to my parent's place, and grab the rifles.

The Maple Leaf forever

-J.

[DundasBill]

CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:

Because of the respect we get globally, I have no doubt that other countries would come to our aid as well. The Netherlands, Australia, even Germany.


-J.

Like the respect we got at the UN when we lost a seat on the security council to Portugal? I wouldn't want to bet my life on it.