[N_Fiddledog]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

stratos stratos:

Hey first off the worst offenders right now according to the article from CKA home page says China and India are the worst offenders.

No, it doesn't. It says they have been releasing a banned potent greenhouse gas into the atmosphere, unlike the rest of the civilized world.

Right now, the emissions leaders are:

$1:

1. China: 9697 million tonnes (MT) or 28.6%
2. US: 5420 MT or 16.0%
3. India: 1967 MT or 5.8%
4. Russia: 1829 MT or 5.4%
5. Japan: 1243 MT or 3.7%
6. Germany: 810 MT 2.4%
7. South Korea: 609 MT or 1.7%
8. Canada: 555 MT or 1.6%
9. Indonesia: 490 MT or 1.4%
10. Saudi Arabia: 464 MT or 1.4%

A lot of these records depend on where you go and what years they cover.

Wikipedia says Canada is # 10.

More importantly though Canada only accounts for just a little over one and a half percent of the world's human GHG emissions.

So go ahead Justin, tax the carbon. Save the world by theoretically lowering Canada's 1.6%.

Who's Canada's new environ-mental minister BTW? Hope he or she does a better job than Climate Barbie did?

[Tricks]

stratos stratos:

So in other words the worst offenders are going to be ignored and left alone. All because of the USA. Nice to know the hate runs deep in her.

The USA has omitted more CO2 that every other country on the planet. You are the worst offender. China is worse now. You're overall the worst.

[Tricks]

Thanos Thanos:

Shut 'er down! Shut 'er all down! Purity must be achieved!

Not the stats you wanted to see was it?

[Thanos]

Tricks Tricks:

Thanos Thanos:

Shut 'er down! Shut 'er all down! Purity must be achieved!

Not the stats you wanted to see was it?

Only one is responsible for all the badness. Yes, it is known. Shut it down. It's not like the cool parts of the country will be affected anyway.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Thanos Thanos:

$1:

8. Canada: 555 MT or 1.6%

I'd like this to be divided up properly, like pointed out how much of this belongs to O&G and how much comes from the industrial sector in Ontario and Quebec, or simply from the concentration of personal vehicles in Central Canada. But nah, that sort of acknowledgement of shared responsibility isn't the Canadian way of doing things. Clearly it's all Alberta's fault.

Ask and Jeeves shall provide!





http://prairieclimatecentre.ca/2018/03/ ... come-from/

and more detail:

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en ... 3810011101

Here's the thing though. In 2018 Canada generated 3% of the global total of energy generated. And it did so at 81% emissions-free power generation. We get treated as a climate pariah, even by our own idiot govt, when in many ways, we're leading the way. Hell even our oil industry has reduced emissions per bbl produced by a third since 1990.

So let's think about this for a moment. We generate 3% of the world's power 81% emission-free while we contribute just 1.6% of the total global GHG emissions. Seems to me we already have an automatic climate credit balance. Yet we must be economically flagellated before the altar of AGW because....um, why?

Nunavut proved the carbon tax is a scam. They developed a workable plan that would reduce their emissions by the target date and amount without a carbon tax. Groper flatly rejected it stating it must have a carbon tax component. Why? If you can reduce emissions effectively without one, why would you create one? Unless you're just some worthless UN toady being a good little sycophant.

Same with Quebec. Why does Quebec get away with a lower carbon tax than the fed has demanded of everyone else? A third lower IIRC. And I'm supposed to believe that a federally mandated tax that isn't applied equally to all provinces is somehow constitutional? Especially when said province just happens to be the PM's home province.

[Tricks]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

So let's think about this for a moment. We generate 3% of the world's power 81% emission-free while we contribute just 1.6% of the total global GHG emissions. Seems to me we already have an automatic climate credit balance.

We are .5 % of the population.

[BartSimpson]

Tricks Tricks:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

So let's think about this for a moment. We generate 3% of the world's power 81% emission-free while we contribute just 1.6% of the total global GHG emissions. Seems to me we already have an automatic climate credit balance.

We are .5 % of the population.

Trudeau will restore balance by turning Canada into a deindustrialized Third World nation where you carbon-emitting fuckers can freeze to death every winter like you deserve...while he gets on a private jet and warms up in Turks and Caicos as befits a person of his breeding and stature.

[CharlesAnthony]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Yet we must be economically flagellated before the altar of AGW because....um, why?

So that the rich can get richer.

What would YOU do if you were rich?

[Tricks]

Heating is actually a good area for research to improve things. Large portions of Canada use Natural Gas/propane furnaces, and some people even still use oil. These are likely going to be required until electricity is able to be generated enough to sustain electric heating, and for electric prices to come down. Another alternative for when the temperatures aren't at their extreme lowest is heat pumps. Until fairly recently (last decade or so) they couldn't operate well enough at low temperatures. But there are now heat pumps capable of operating at full efficiency down to -10C to -15C. These are far more efficient that stereotypicaly furnaces because they aren't generating heat themselves, just moving it. If the temperatures these systems can run at continue to drop, we could use them to heat homes for probably 90% of the winter. That would eliminate a massive amount of GHG emission.

[N_Fiddledog]

Tricks Tricks:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

So let's think about this for a moment. We generate 3% of the world's power 81% emission-free while we contribute just 1.6% of the total global GHG emissions. Seems to me we already have an automatic climate credit balance.

We are .5 % of the population.

Yeah? And...?

Our small population of .5% will somehow save the world by somehow decreasing our paltry emissions of 1.6%. Is that what you mean?

Does a small population somehow make any contribution we could make to a decrease in GHG emissions less meaningless?

[DrCaleb]

Tricks Tricks:

Heating is actually a good area for research to improve things. Large portions of Canada use Natural Gas/propane furnaces, and some people even still use oil. These are likely going to be required until electricity is able to be generated enough to sustain electric heating, and for electric prices to come down. Another alternative for when the temperatures aren't at their extreme lowest is heat pumps. Until fairly recently (last decade or so) they couldn't operate well enough at low temperatures. But there are now heat pumps capable of operating at full efficiency down to -10C to -15C. These are far more efficient that stereotypicaly furnaces because they aren't generating heat themselves, just moving it. If the temperatures these systems can run at continue to drop, we could use them to heat homes for probably 90% of the winter. That would eliminate a massive amount of GHG emission.

Like I've been writing - put oil drillers back to work by installing geothermal energy systems. We can bring the cost down, and be leaders in the emerging technology.

There is an entire subdivision near me where all the homes use geothermal, and the new Blatchfort neighbourhood is using an industrial geothermal plant to power the new homes that will be built on the old city center airport grounds.

[Prof_Chomsky]

I wish there was some sort of social credit program for science deniers.

Nothing would make me happier than for these people to lose access to the same technology brought to them by the sciences they love to scorn.
You don’t like climate science? Oh, I’m sorry, you lose access to everything NASA has accomplished for us. You can’t use most plastics, composites, or anything involving satellite communication. Give back your GPS. Rip that memory foam out of your mattress. Better give back your cellphones, and rip any chip out of your computer developed using NASA related microprocessor improvements. Guess that means no more internet to spread your conspiracy theories with.

I mean, let’s be real here. Nature intended for every species to be thinned out through survival of the fittest. But the intelligent part of our society that brought us modern medicine, electronics, transportation, abundant food, and sanitation is stopping mother nature from having her way with these genetic deviants, while those same mental midgets spurn the smart people keeping her at bay.

My policy is, if you’re so smart you should do it all yourself. We’ll stick you all in the Calgary with nothing but your wits, some animals furs for warmth, and a tinder box. Obviously you’re smarter than our best and brightest, so you should have no problem at all re-inventing everything you need to survive and flourish.

Of you could just STFU and accept that you’re not special, nor smarter than the nerds who built this luxury society you take advantage of. Pay your taxes to support the system that keeps your ignorant asses alive, and crack a beer with your fellow mental midgets, safe and secure because people far smarter than you have kept you alive, fed and in relative luxury.

[Prof_Chomsky]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Tricks Tricks:

Heating is actually a good area for research to improve things. Large portions of Canada use Natural Gas/propane furnaces, and some people even still use oil. These are likely going to be required until electricity is able to be generated enough to sustain electric heating, and for electric prices to come down. Another alternative for when the temperatures aren't at their extreme lowest is heat pumps. Until fairly recently (last decade or so) they couldn't operate well enough at low temperatures. But there are now heat pumps capable of operating at full efficiency down to -10C to -15C. These are far more efficient that stereotypicaly furnaces because they aren't generating heat themselves, just moving it. If the temperatures these systems can run at continue to drop, we could use them to heat homes for probably 90% of the winter. That would eliminate a massive amount of GHG emission.

Like I've been writing - put oil drillers back to work by installing geothermal energy systems. We can bring the cost down, and be leaders in the emerging technology.

There is an entire subdivision near me where all the homes use geothermal, and the new Blatchfort neighbourhood is using an industrial geothermal plant to power the new homes that will be built on the old city center airport grounds.

The government needs to take some of the carbon tax revenue and start subsidizing tech like this. The problem is always price. I really wanted to go this way with our new house but after doing the math, it just doesn't work.
We're talking about roughly 20K upfront to get the equipment and have it installed vs a 5K gas furnace. And even when heat pumps run at full efficiency, 400% vs 98% for a gas furnace, in Ontario it costs almost 500% more per delivered BTU to heat with electric vs gas. And that's with mid-peak hydro rates.

But this is also one of the reasons I support the carbon tax. Emerging technologies will only get cheaper and more efficient over time, so we need to subsidize them a little to get them off the ground. I mean, we've been subsidizing the oil industry for almost a century. Turnabout is fair play.

[DrCaleb]

Prof_Chomsky Prof_Chomsky:

We’ll stick you all in the Calgary with nothing but your wits, some animals furs for warmth, and a tinder box.

While I'm all for the raising of the average IQ, sentencing them to Calgary is just cruel.

[DrCaleb]

Prof_Chomsky Prof_Chomsky:

The government needs to take some of the carbon tax revenue and start subsidizing tech like this. The problem is always price. I really wanted to go this way with our new house but after doing the math, it just doesn't work.

Alberta DID! Thaty's what drove me the nuttiest about the UCP killing of the Alberta Carbon levy. It paid for things to reduce our carbon footprint, and fostered jobs in the renewables industry.

So they cut the carbon levy, because "taxes" and replaced it with nothing! Now cuts to the billions in LRT infrastructure spending are looming, with some projects only half finished.