[ridenrain]

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

Why does the ROC always gets included in these stories when it�s S.ON that has the problem?

What other city is more desperate to distract their people away from their gross missmanagement?

[Terence]

Hey my favorite two places on earth are NYC and Las Vegas... I've never been part of Anti-American sentiment. If my online business does as well as I project, I'll be moving to Vegas for a few years.

[EyeBrock]

Well, all I can say is, check your anti-US attitude at the door.

[Terence]

What anti-US attitude? I spend two to four weeks a year there, and love NYC and Vegas.

I hate neo-cons. A political anti-culture, not a people.

[EyeBrock]

So, define a 'neo-con'. You are so full of it.

[Terence]

Why waste my time, you just run around like a four year twit and point and dismiss facts based on ad hominum reasons.

I could say the sky is blue here, and you would pop up and deny it.

I have read Kristol and seen the destruction of mainstream conservatism and the shredding of it's legacy.

Ron Paul is more representative than the Republican party of true historic conservatism.

[EyeBrock]

You may have read but you have yet to make a point. I like to debate, I've seen little of that from you.

If you are just here to post statements then you may get a bit of flak, old chap.

So what's a Canadian neo-con? All the examples you gave are American. This is CKA.

[Bacardi4206]

I have many American gamer friends. I express anti-americanism some times but I don't hate Americans. Canadian's can hate certon groups of Americans but most can't be classified as American haters. Theres a key difference between Anti-Americanism and Anti-Americans.

Being a Canadian, you are always living in America's Shadow. Considering our views and opinions are sometimes always different than America's. That every war action we ever did, despite being almost always heroic and great. With a extremly lower population than the rest of the world. We still entered and dished out almost the same ammount of troops as the top countries in World War 1 and 2. We spearheaded the allies in WW1 and took every single objective, never lost ground and whenever a allied force couldn't take a objective. They always called us to sacrafice ourselves to repair British Ego's.

However is this ever celebrated by any other country than Canada or Britain? Its always American wars that get the celebration and attention. WW2 we were still the same soldiers. We were there from day 1 fighting the germans and helping the British. Even when Germany took france and was surounding Britain and cutting of Britains trade routes. Canada built and designed new naval ships and took every last ship able to carry cargo in order and loaded up on supplies of all kind and risked everything trying to get those supplies by fleets of German U-Boats. Just to keep Britain afloat and in the war. Thanks to our efforts Britain was able to be joining us in D-Day. We also had RCAF pilots in Britain when Germany was sending bombers to Britain.

On D-Day despite being exausted from fighting Germany and doing everything we could to save the British from having to surrender to Germany. We still got on D-Day and took a beach objective. We did the same things in WW2 as we did in WW1. Except there was things like Italy where both Canadian and American soldiers helped take Italy back. Yet on the celebration of that day by Italy. They praised America, not Canada. Canada was completly over shadowed in the entire war by American efforts. Not that I am not grateful for American's entrance in the war. They helped liberate many countries and certonly did a amazing job pushing back Germany. Probally better than Canada as well. The point being is that Canada sacraficed more than America did and did it to save Britains ass and did more than there fair share, compareable to American efforts. There are 1000's of books on American D-Day efforts. There are thousands of movies. Thousands of Video-games.

I have came across some books of Canada, only movie I ever came across was passchendale. The others were just documentries. Never in my life however have I came across a video game about the Canadian Military. Not in WW1, WW2 up to modern day. CoH had us in one Campaign but they diddn't bother to dress us in our uniforms and we were copies of the American soldiers. We wern't even playable. Just some really shitty AI that did nothing the whole campaign scenario.

I only listed the World Wars because they are the biggest insult IMO. However there are countless others both military and non-military and it's a pain in the to describe them all. I see articles of Canadian efforts being over-shadowed by American efforts all the time. In recent evidence there was that Article about the Apollo 11 mission that was just recently posted.

It's hard living in the shadows of a country like America. We made peace keeping and we devote to it. Which is the single most responsable action a military can make. Even more responsable than being a country who never uses there military. As we are the soldiers who stands between two crazy madmen with assault rifles and tells them to stop this genocide. Many heroic efforts of peace keeping. Even going as far as sitting between a stronger military force with light tanks, motors, and more infantry all moving to commit genocide and attempting to stop them in there tracks in regards to a firefight even if it killed them.

There is also playing the observer role, having to observe these aweful human rights abuses and genocide. Stuff that will really fuck a man up regards to war symptoms. All to give the UN the detailed description of what happened and who was responsable so justice can be set and those people can hopefully get arrested if that UN wasn't so useless.

Does the world praise our actions regarding this? Not the last time I check. It's always American this, America that. Than we got to deal with American arrogance (not most of them, just stating the ones that do) where they come up to us and insult our military being small or state things like I diddn't eve know Canada was in Afghanistan just to piss us off. I get it quite a lot as a gamer I meet a lot of Americans.

Canadians can be anti-american but before you all bitch about it. Americans can be anti-canadian or just there to fuck with us and piss us off with extreme disrespect or arrogance. So fairs fair right?

[EyeBrock]

I dunno Bacardi, I agree with some of your post but I see a default mode of anti-Americanism that is very mainstream.

If the yanks screw up its front and centre on CBC and CTV. People think it's ok to diss yanks in a way that would not be sanctioned if they were Arabs, Jamaicans or Natives.

Come on, yanks may be different but our country was built by Loyalist Americans, not Arabs, Jamaicans or Natives.

[coaster_dot]

Heres something funny that I notice here in the states. (at least where I live) I have NEVER seen a American say something hateful to Canadians. I mean sure LOTS of people make jokes but to them its all in fun because there aren't any Canadians around at the time. However, if they ever meet one the jokes stop and there is no anti-Canadian remarks or actions taken.

On my recent trip to Canada we would get a glare from anyone who passed our car. However, we don't know if it was because of the "Illinois" plates driving around. I bet that no one around the area has seen plates from that far away . I guess if I was walking around my house and I saw B.C or a Alberta plate I would think "Holy shit" too.

But I agree, from my experiences I never felt or was told anything anti-American (except in Quebec). But I also would just act way more polite then I would any where else. My friend is the opposite and does not care what anyone thinks and will do any thing no matter who rude or annoying (But hes from Chicago). I tried telling him that we are the guests here and we should act nice to someone if they are taking out time to help us out.

[DerbyX]

Its all in personal experiences. I've never seen or heard anybody around me speak ill of Americans other then political opinions over the war and such. I have had personal experience with at least 1 American speaking ill of Canada (even though she has lived here for almost 20 years after marrying a Canadian) although it was more of a rant about our healthcare, taxes, and socialism.

A friend of mine went to university in the southern states had a different opinion. Although she encountered only a small amount of hostility she said that most people were downright rude to her if she made it known she was Canadian. Oh she had her clique of friends who loved the fact she was Canadian and would defend her she said she simply found it too hard to cope with so she simply removed all visible signs she was Canadian and let people assume she was American.

I think you will find either side has stories like that where they don't see their side expressing disdain for the other side but see it a lot in reverse.

Perhaps we are conditioned to see things that way.

[coaster_dot]

DerbyX DerbyX:

A friend of mine went to university in the southern states had a different opinion.

That is probaly why. A lot of people in the south are very "American", close minded, conservative, racist, people And I hate going down south, although I don't get hassled or anything (actually they are very nice) but I feel bad for people who do...especially immigrants.

[DerbyX]

coaster_dot coaster_dot:

DerbyX DerbyX:

A friend of mine went to university in the southern states had a different opinion.

That is probaly why. A lot of people in the south are very "American", close minded, conservative, racist, people And I hate going down south, although I don't get hassled or anything (actually they are very nice) but I feel bad for people who do...especially immigrants.

I think you hit the truth right there. The Americans holding such an opinion about Canadians are close minded just as the Canadians who say the reverse are.

Another factor we should look at is that even people criticizing "Americans" or "America" might only be doing it for a specific segment such as republicans.

The same goes in reverse. Americans might be criticizing an aspect of Canada and it gets distilled to all Canadians.

You stated an opinion about aspects of "southern states". You differentiated between those states and the northern ones where you live. If you lived in Georgia you might even point out that its only a particular region. A Canadian facing that kind of hostility might not differentiate between northern and southern states but instead just say "the states" or America.

The farther away from home it gets the more general people become in their criticism.

[coaster_dot]

^Yeah that sounds about right.

And some of the whole "southern states hatred" just confuses me. I just cant see why there is such a hate to anyone other then white. There are a few people around here that will put stuff on there truck like the confederate flag or KKK and stuff like that. Although I know for a fact that there doing it for attention and they just think they are cool.

In fact that group of people calls themselves the "moonshine mudders"
...I dont see how anyone can take them serious.

[DerbyX]

There is nothing wrong with drinking alcohol distilled through rusty old car radiators.