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<strong>Written By:</strong> N Say
<strong>Date:</strong> 2004-08-17 09:02:00
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<P> In an interview as the anniversary of last year's huge blackout approaches, Duncan said he has already raised the idea informally with half a dozen provincial colleagues, and hopes to get formal discussions rolling early next year. <P> "I really think Canadians need to focus on the need for an east-west grid, and that we need to begin to really talk about energy self-sufficiency and energy security," Duncan said. <P> "I hope that Canadians will turn their attention to this and understand that we have a remarkable opportunity. My hope is that governments can come together and find ways that all of us can benefit." <P> Ontario is already seeking to expand links into Manitoba and Quebec. <P> Duncan's office is assessing a feasibility study — not yet made public — on the prospect of building a 1,250-megawatt transmission line to Ontario from the proposed Conawapa hydro development on Manitoba's Nelson River. <P> Ontario also wants to build a 1,250-megawatt line to carry power between Ontario and Quebec. <P> Big electricity transmission lines tend to connect Canadian power systems with the U.S., Duncan said. <P> The risks inherent in that dependence were highlighted when a power failure in Ohio blacked out most of Ontario, along with the U.S. northeast, he said. U.S. power systems have no mandatory reliability standards, unlike Canada, where standards are clearly written and power companies face fines or other sanctions if they break the rules. <P> An energy bill that would have created mandatory standards never made it through the U.S. Congress. <P> "When one looks at the American reluctance to deal in a meaningful way with mandatory reliability on the wires, and the penchant for the current American administration to build, build, build coal (generators), I think given the abundance we have in this nation of ours, we have such a remarkable opportunity," Duncan said. <P> Duncan would string even more lines between provinces, which he hopes would open the way for new hydro-electric development such as sites on Labrador's lower Churchill River. That development has been stalled because of a poisonous dispute between Quebec and Newfoundland over the existing power development on the upper Churchill. <P> Newfoundland agreed in the 1970s to sell all power from the upper Churchill to Quebec at fixed prices that are now absurdly low. <P> Such political disagreements would have to be addressed if Duncan's proposal is to take shape, as would the role of the federal government in any broad, national system. <P> But Duncan says he has already been at work, discussing his idea last week with Alberta Energy Minister Murray Smith. <P> "Mr. Smith's attitude was quite remarkable," he said. "They want Ontario to be prosperous. They see Ontario's prosperity as key to their prosperity. " <P> "I've had extensive chats with my counterparts in Manitoba, a very informal brief chat with my Quebec counterpart, and there are discussions ongoing." <P> Manitoba's Conawapa development is especially appealing because it doesn't require extensive flooding, he said. But "there are cost issues for us; that is essentially the hang-up." <P> Ontario still has the potential to add 3,000 to 6,000 megawatts of hydro-electric capacity to its system, he said. The province uses about 25,000 megawatts on a day of very high demand. <P> New hydro developments will enable Canada to fulfil its Kyoto commitments to curb greenhouse gas emissions, Duncan said. They'll also bring economic activity — not to mention reliable electricity — to many remote aboriginal communities. <P> An east-west grid should also dampen power price increases in Ontario, Duncan said. Currently, when Ontario needs to import power, it must import the bulk of it from the U.S. at the prevailing price. Strong east-west connections would given Ontario a choice of suppliers when importing power and presumably a wider price selection. <P> "My own inclination is as Canadians, we need to work together," he said. <P> "Manitoba has a wonderful system, a reliable system, as does Newfoundland, as does Quebec. There's a lot of opportunity that is economically possible, environmentally better than some of the other choices. I hope that we as Canadians can find the way to maximize the opportunity." <P> <a href="http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1092262212780&call_page=TS_News&call_pageid=968332188492&call_pagepath=News/News&pubid=968163964505&StarSource=email">in the Toronto Star</a> <P> [comment: In case anyone doesn't know, this idea has been around since the Diefenbaker government commissioned a study by David Cass-Beggs on it. All provincial premiers were interested, then Pearson killed the plans once elected. There have been a couple different plans; one had the line close to the US border & was connected to Peace River BC, Nelson Falls Manitoba, Niagara Falls Ont, James Bay Que & Churchill Falls Nfld. The other one had the line going directly from Peace River to Nelson River, James Bay & Churchill Falls. For much more info see "White Gold: Hydro Power in Canada" by Karl Froschauer (UBC anthropology & sociology). Whatever the premiers say, I bet anything that Martin will try to say it's "too expensive" like he just said about the national pharmacare program. Whatever it takes to keep from pissing off the Americans. - NSay]



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Holy bovine defecation!!! A Canadian politician actually making sense!!! I`m pinching myself right now. I just hope that such great Canadian ideas like this one don`t acquire Avro-Arrow syndrome. But yeah, more EAST-WEST, less NORTH-SOUTH!!!

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:01 am
 


Finally, someone with a little bit of VISION!
Nice to hear. Now, let's make it a reality.

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My cynical side tells me that typical interprovincial bickering will keep such a wonderful idea from fruition, but one can always hope. People across the country are going to have to keep pressure on our provincial governments to put national priorities first on this one.

THere are other advantages to this system other than keeping it all in Canada. The main one is that since the country is spread over several time zones many major centres reach there peak usage at different times, thus being able to share excess base load.

Really, this is how it should have been done in the first place.

Why we continue to rely on the US is beyond me. THe Americans are low on energy capability themselves while we have amazing potential to tap in this country. The Americans are acutally frustrated with us for not taking on the role of being the energy provider for the continent (and reaping big money from them in the process).


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:19 pm
 


Well, the US does want Canada to be the energy provider- for the American market. And they want us to do it without Canada benefitting, of course.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 6:08 am
 


I'm not holding my breath...we've been hearing about Conawapa here in Manitoba for a very long time. Something always comes up.

If it does go through, it is an excellent idea though. An environmentally friendlier, all Canadian grid with surplus being sold to the US would help us clean things up and sales into the US will help to keep prices low. It could also help Manitoba and Quebec become "have" provinces. There are a lot of positive political implications to that.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 8:10 pm
 


but according to that Toronto Star report, it's the provinces who are interested in such a plan. I think it would be up to Martin to kill a national grid.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 8:50 pm
 


The US may not want us to benefit from it, but if we have what they need we are in control.

Of course, the Uncle Sam Bootlickers we have in Ottawa never seem to hesitate to sell us short.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2004 8:56 pm
 


Well, we aren't really in control actually.

Remember, pesky NAFTA thing *requires* us to continue to provide the US with the same proportion of any good, be it oil or electricity, as the last three year average. So there's no way for us to back off or turn off the taps, unless NAFTA is scrapped.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 9:06 pm
 


Yeah N Say, Martin will stick to official Liberal policy, just like Lester B. Pearson.



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 9:48 pm
 


Yes and we need to ensure that it is somehow NOT connected to NAFTA otherwise, when their(U.S) demand goes up we end up paying more for our own product. There must be a way....

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