[torian]

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John Moore's much more objectionable and in fact, much more intelligent than Carroll is though, it's too bad he didn't have the AM slot that Carroll holds.

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thank you for proving my point

and john moore is "objectionable"!?!?! He might not like that description.

[/quote]You had a point?
Promoting a right wing radio host's opinion as being the gospel isn't what you would call "having a point".

But let's move on shall we and look up the meaning of the word objectionable

objectionable
adj

1. Capable of being objected to.

John Moore doesn't cut off listeners who disagree with his position, he encourages debate unlike Carroll who can't handle callers who disagree with him.[/quote]

First, if you happen to look back in this thread, at no time did I say that carroll's views were gospel. I was responding to the people who were unsure that this quote about islam happened. I just posted that I was listening to CFRB and they were talking about it, that it HAD happened and that it was on tape.

Although I'm sure that had I heard it on the john moore show, I'm sure you would still argue about it with me.

I think the word you were looking for was "objective" Say it with me slowly...
O B J E C T I V E. That's right. We were talking about objectivity and bias in media just previous to the post where you made the wrong word choice right?

[torian]

and for future reference....

ob·jec·tion·a·ble (əb-jĕk'shə-nə-bəl)
adj.
Arousing disapproval; offensive: objectionable behavior.

"John Moore is much more objectionable"....



But, then again, maybe you have bias issues re: the dictionary

[Streaker]

hwacker hwacker:

Streaker Streaker:

hwacker hwacker:

Streaker Streaker:

Let's say for the sake of the thread that the quote attributed to Alghabra is in fact accurate. Would it necessarily mean that Alghabra's motives are indeed nefarious? Like Avro said, it's possible to put more than one kind of spin on Alghabra's words, even though they were lacking in tact.

That’s some smart thinking there Streaker. Can you get those rose colored glasses in prescription?


The obvious always seems to blind the Liberals.

This from the guy who stated that Martin was no different than Hitler.

Yeah let's get this straight, I said he's doing the same thing Hitler did.


The tape from Rogers 10 should make a nice place on CBC's 6 o'clock broadcast.

Maybe you didn't say that Martin and Hitler were one and the same, but you implied it. Anyhow, this could be a good thread so I'll let bygones be bygones.

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Can anyone pleeease put up a link that will confirm beyond a doubt the quote attributed to Alghabra?

A link from a credible source, perhaps?

[torian]

streaker,

I don't have a link.

From what I heard (yes on the bill carroll show), people were calling in who were at the rally, which was about 2 weeks ago.

Everyone who called in agreed as to what was said (a win for islam), but there were differences in how to interpret the meaning

eg: a win for minorities, or a win for a religious group.

Apparently Rogers CH 10 was there and taped it.

There was another man (a markham representative) with this candidate on the stage who was saying something about that they had the north, the south and now mississauga. Apparently Carroll works with this man on some board and has some doubts there was ill-intent behind the statements .

[Streaker]

I'm very curious to see the footage, torian. If this was taped hopefully it'll turn up on the net somewhere.

[Ruserious]

torian torian:

streaker,

I don't have a link.

From what I heard (yes on the bill carroll show), people were calling in who were at the rally, which was about 2 weeks ago.

Everyone who called in agreed as to what was said (a win for islam), but there were differences in how to interpret the meaning

eg: a win for minorities, or a win for a religious group.

Apparently Rogers CH 10 was there and taped it.

There was another man (a markham representative) with this candidate on the stage who was saying something about that they had the north, the south and now mississauga. Apparently Carroll works with this man on some board and has some doubts there was ill-intent behind the statements .

So to sum this non-issue up then..

You have nothing.

[torian]

found this when I googled "islam mississauga erindale"

http://forums.cbc.ca/ridings/2005/11/156.html


http://www.mississauga.com/mi/news/stor ... 8054c.html

[Ruserious]

torian torian:

found this when I googled "islam mississauga erindale"

http://forums.cbc.ca/ridings/2005/11/156.html


http://www.mississauga.com/mi/news/stor ... 8054c.html

So let's review these two links of proof that you have provided.

The first links to a message board where messages can be posted anonymously. Well if that's all it takes for proof, then let me be the first to start a thread claiming that one of the cons candidates was at a rally and after being aclaimed for the riding nomination, stood up and shouted "Heil Hitler"



The second is a press release issued by the Canadian Coalition For Democracies with their backup as a source being one Sheref Elsabawy, who is a 40-year-old senior network engineer and Coptic Christian.

I'm sure there's not the least bit of bias there either..

About the only credible source would be someone that's not even a supporter of Paul Martin, Carolyn Parrish.

Let's hear what Carolyn had to say shall we...

$1:

Reached by phone in Ottawa, former Mississauga-Erindale MP Carolyn Parrish, who was at the meeting, said she didn't hear Alghabra make any religious or incendiary comments during his speech.

"I honestly can't say I heard Omar say that," said Parrish, adding she wished Charles Sousa had won the nomination.

"I don't think Omar made those comments and he's not the type of person to say something like that."

So then as I mentioned previously,

You have nothing.
End of story.

[Ruserious]

lily lily:

I said pretty much the same thing, using far fewer words.

So that's why my time management clock is all messed up...

I probably should follow the kiss rule then eh?

[RUEZ]

It's interesting how people get so upset at Steven Harper for bringing his religion into his politics, yet you libs don't even blink an eye to this. I wonder how much you'd be crying if this was a conservative.

[Dayseed]

Torian,

I don't think you listened to Bill Carroll's broadcast in full or you're a manipulative shit who doesn't mind hiding things to provide bogus support for a position. The candidate in question called in and flatly denied saying anything remotely close to what is being attributed to him.

Furthermore, the candidate has asked anybody to provide evidence, such as the Rogers tape, to contradict him.

Bill Carroll concluded the segment saying he believed the man and in the lack of conclusive evidence one way or the other, the general public should at least provide him with the benefit of the doubt.

Ruserious,

I love listening to John Moore too, but he's no more objective than Bill Carroll.

[torian]

Dayseed Dayseed:

Torian,

I don't think you listened to Bill Carroll's broadcast in full or you're a manipulative shit who doesn't mind hiding things to provide bogus support for a position. The candidate in question called in and flatly denied saying anything remotely close to what is being attributed to him.

Furthermore, the candidate has asked anybody to provide evidence, such as the Rogers tape, to contradict him.

Bill Carroll concluded the segment saying he believed the man and in the lack of conclusive evidence one way or the other, the general public should at least provide him with the benefit of the doubt.

Ruserious,

I love listening to John Moore too, but he's no more objective than Bill Carroll.

Actually, no. I did not listen to it in full. I was out of the car for about a half and hour, doing some christmas shopping.

I am not a manipulative shit.

I did post everything I had heard, including carroll's doubts about the story, as you can read above.

When I got back in the car, they were doing "coffee talk".

No intent to mislead. Thank you for posting the clarification.

You will also note that I had no opinion, just offering that I heard they were talking about it on bill carroll.

[hwacker]

The December 19 press release from CCD was based on reports from several independent individuals who were present at the Liberal nomination of Omar Alghabra. While those reports were consistent, the resultant release was wrong on two key points and the inferences it drew from them. Firstly, the date of the nomination meeting was December 1, not December 2 as reported. Secondly, witnesses reported that the statements attributed to Omar Alghabra were actually spoken by Khalid Usman, the individual introduced by Mr. Alghabra as his major supporter following Mr. Alghabra's nomination victory. Witnesses reported that Mr. Alghabra's celebratory actions on the podium appeared supportive of Mr. Usman's declarations, and that Mr. Alghabra did not distance himself from the comments nor offer any correction.

On December 22, Carolyn Parrish, the former MP for Mississauga-Erindale, was quoted in the Mississauga News as saying that "He [Khalid Usman] made comments about Muslims eventually being [represented] in every riding in Mississauga ... He made it sound like [Muslims] were taking over. It was extremely inappropriate." Elias Hazineh, president of the Mississauga-Erindale Federal Liberal Riding Association, was also quoted as hearing the Markham councillor say, "this is a victory for Muslims."