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[QUOTE BY= Macdonald/Borden] I'll say one thing, I don't hate Seperatists because they're just confused Canadians, I hate Seperatism. <br />Just as I don't hate Communists, I don't hate Fascists, and I don't hate neo-liberals, that wouldn't be to Catholic of me. I just hate Communism, Fascism and Neo-Liberalism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/lol.gif' alt='Laughing Out Loud'> [/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> <br />Yeah but some separatists are not mis-guided. They simply want a separate country. It's our job to throw them in jail. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/lol.gif' alt='Laughing Out Loud'>

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[QUOTE BY= Perturbed] <br />Yeah but some separatists are not mis-guided. They simply want a separate country. It's our job to throw them in jail. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/lol.gif' alt='Laughing Out Loud'> [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Start by throwing in jail your own federalist corrupted, liars, thieves civil servants and politicians.

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Registered: 12/13/03 <br />Posts: 115 Saturday, November 13 2004 @ 02:07 PM MST <br /> <br />[QUOTE]I hate separatists because: <br /> <br />1. They distort hisotrical opinions. [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />We know our history a lot more than you do. We have more history, having been here longer. The federal government is the great winner of history distortion, with its ridiculous Heritage Minutes. <br /> <br />[QUOTE]2. They lie about historical facts--such as the fact two-thirds of Qubec was not French-Canadian territory. [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Never heard of this. <br /> <br />3[QUOTE]. They would rather run away from their problems than solve them. [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Solving our problems start with rapatriating our taxes, and not letting another nation decide for what is good or isn't good for us. <br /> <br />[QUOTE]4. They claim creating a chaotic situation after a YES vote would not affect Canada, would create a peaceful country of Quebec, and would not provoke American interference. [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Yes, Quebec will be a peaceful country. Now, Canada will be affected, on a short-term basis, until it gets used to make do without our taxes. As to American interference, your guess is as good as mine. <br /> <br />[QUOTE]5. They seem to forget that separatin actually means leaving Canada--there is no in-between. [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Right. There is no in-between. The eastern provinces and Ontario and the west, to communicate with each other, won't need to negociate something with Quebec. <br /> <br />[QUOTE]6. They forget that the U.S. is a declining superpower--now is not the time to weaken Canada. [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Wouhouhouhou! I'm scared. The US won't want us. They won't want a French-speaking, democrat-voting bunch. <br /> <br />[QUOTE]7. They aren't the smartest. <br /> <br />8. They are driven by emotion, and delusion of French joie de vivre. <br /> <br />9. They are annoying. [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Wow! That should be the theme of your next "love rallye". Meanwhile, you can always join the KKK. <br /> <br />[QUOTE]10. They believe in the right of a minority of Quebecers to steal Canadian terriotry, which generations have worked hard to preserve. <br /> <br />11. They are irrational. <br /> <br />12. They always try to find a way out of an argument they have clearly lost. <br /> <br />13. They want to rewrite history. [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />What else can you do, besides Quebec bashing? <br /> <br />[QUOTE]14. They want to go back to the Plains of Abraham and win. [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />No. Just a referendum will do. <br /> <br /> <br /> <br />Ohhh! Here comes the bogeyman! Why make a big fuss out of it? You don't care whatever happens to us. You are motivated by hatred and you desperately want to see us fail. But guess what. We'll succeed and we'll be a prosperous country and YOU KNOW IT. <br /> <br />[QUOTE]18. They are liars in general. <br /> <br />19. They are ethnocentric without even trying to be. [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />1st prize for lying : Paul Martin. <br /> <br />[QUOTE]20. They think the fact English is a more dominant world language means Canada is a British-conspiracy to destroy them. <br /> <br /> <br />21. They think that controlling Canad is not enough--they should ge to have their cake and eat it too. [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />After we're gone, you won't have to worry any more about us "controlling" Canada! <br /> <br /> <br /> <br />

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[QUOTE BY= Delenda Carthago] Registered: 12/13/03 <br />Posts: 115 Saturday, November 13 2004 @ 02:07 PM MST <br /> <br />[QUOTE]I hate separatists because: <br /> <br />1. They distort hisotrical opinions. [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />We know our history a lot more than you do. We have more history, having been here longer. The federal government is the great winner of history distortion, with its ridiculous Heritage Minutes. <br /> <br />[QUOTE]2. They lie about historical facts--such as the fact two-thirds of Qubec was not French-Canadian territory. [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Never heard of this. <br /> <br />3[QUOTE]. They would rather run away from their problems than solve them. [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Solving our problems start with rapatriating our taxes, and not letting another nation decide for what is good or isn't good for us. <br /> <br />[QUOTE]4. They claim creating a chaotic situation after a YES vote would not affect Canada, would create a peaceful country of Quebec, and would not provoke American interference. [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Yes, Quebec will be a peaceful country. Now, Canada will be affected, on a short-term basis, until it gets used to make do without our taxes. As to American interference, your guess is as good as mine. <br /> <br />[QUOTE]5. They seem to forget that separatin actually means leaving Canada--there is no in-between. [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Right. There is no in-between. The eastern provinces and Ontario and the west, to communicate with each other, won't need to negociate something with Quebec. <br /> <br />[QUOTE]6. They forget that the U.S. is a declining superpower--now is not the time to weaken Canada. [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Wouhouhouhou! I'm scared. The US won't want us. They won't want a French-speaking, democrat-voting bunch. <br /> <br />[QUOTE]7. They aren't the smartest. <br /> <br />8. They are driven by emotion, and delusion of French joie de vivre. <br /> <br />9. They are annoying. [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Wow! That should be the theme of your next "love rallye". Meanwhile, you can always join the KKK. <br /> <br />[QUOTE]10. They believe in the right of a minority of Quebecers to steal Canadian terriotry, which generations have worked hard to preserve. <br /> <br />11. They are irrational. <br /> <br />12. They always try to find a way out of an argument they have clearly lost. <br /> <br />13. They want to rewrite history. [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />What else can you do, besides Quebec bashing? <br /> <br />[QUOTE]14. They want to go back to the Plains of Abraham and win. [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />No. Just a referendum will do. <br /> <br /> <br /> <br />Ohhh! Here comes the bogeyman! Why make a big fuss out of it? You don't care whatever happens to us. You are motivated by hatred and you desperately want to see us fail. But guess what. We'll succeed and we'll be a prosperous country and YOU KNOW IT. <br /> <br />[QUOTE]18. They are liars in general. <br /> <br />19. They are ethnocentric without even trying to be. [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />1st prize for lying : Paul Martin. <br /> <br />[QUOTE]20. They think the fact English is a more dominant world language means Canada is a British-conspiracy to destroy them. <br /> <br /> <br />21. They think that controlling Canad is not enough--they should ge to have their cake and eat it too. [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />After we're gone, you won't have to worry any more about us "controlling" Canada! <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> [/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> <br />I've already enlightened you about the laws that govern Canad, so I won;'t reply to your comments invidiaully right now. <br /> <br />You don't know Canadian history very well. I can tell by talking to you that you don't . Canada is co-operative effort, there's no room for Duceppe-types long-term. <br /> <br />As for economics--you underatns that even less. I laugh when you say "Canada will learn to live without Quebec's taxes." The real power is with the private banks, my friend. <br /> <br />I laught, because Quebec has more social-programs than any other part of Canada, and guess who pays for it? Ontario and Alberta. If Quebec separates--you'll become more capitalist, and your taxes will go up 3 times. Maybe that's what people like you deserved all along.

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<br />[QUOTE]You don't know Canadian history very well. I can tell by talking to you that you don't . Canada is co-operative effort, there's no room for Duceppe-types long-term.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />The way history is learned in Quebec isn't the same as in the ROC. We have our history and you have yours. Yes, a cooperative effort exist when English is the common denominator. We know there's no room for Duceppe in the long term. We will be a country before long. <br /> <br />[QUOTE]As for economics--you underatns that even less. I laugh when you say "Canada will learn to live without Quebec's taxes." The real power is with the private banks, my friend. <br /> <br />I laught, because Quebec has more social-programs than any other part of Canada, and guess who pays for it? Ontario and Alberta. If Quebec separates--you'll become more capitalist, and your taxes will go up 3 times. Maybe that's what people like you deserved all along.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Believe what you want. You have not read my posts concerning equalization payments and how Ontario is the true beneficiary of Ottawa's economic decisions, also about private banks investing our savings in other provinces. You are very, very simplistic. <br /> <br />What I notice from people like you is that they are intellectually dishonest. They will not look at all the elements of an equation. You lack the ability and the honesty to convince us. <br /> <br />The sponsorship program proved us that NO PRICE WAS HIGH ENOUGH TO KEEP QUEBEC IN CANADA. Quebec is a formidable asset to Canada. Canada needs Quebec a lot more than the other way around. <br /> <br />QUEBEC CAN'T WAIT TO WISH YOU 'BON VOYAGE! <br /> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'>

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[QUOTE BY= Delenda Carthago] <br />[QUOTE]You don't know Canadian history very well. I can tell by talking to you that you don't . Canada is co-operative effort, there's no room for Duceppe-types long-term.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />The way history is learned in Quebec isn't the same as in the ROC. We have our history and you have yours. Yes, a cooperative effort exist when English is the common denominator. We know there's no room for Duceppe in the long term. We will be a country before long. <br /> <br />[QUOTE]As for economics--you underatns that even less. I laugh when you say "Canada will learn to live without Quebec's taxes." The real power is with the private banks, my friend. <br /> <br />I laught, because Quebec has more social-programs than any other part of Canada, and guess who pays for it? Ontario and Alberta. If Quebec separates--you'll become more capitalist, and your taxes will go up 3 times. Maybe that's what people like you deserved all along.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Believe what you want. You have not read my posts concerning equalization payments and how Ontario is the true beneficiary of Ottawa's economic decisions, also about private banks investing our savings in other provinces. You are very, very simplistic. <br /> <br />What I notice from people like you is that they are intellectually dishonest. They will not look at all the elements of an equation. You lack the ability and the honesty to convince us. <br /> <br />The sponsorship program proved us that NO PRICE WAS HIGH ENOUGH TO KEEP QUEBEC IN CANADA. Quebec is a formidable asset to Canada. Canada needs Quebec a lot more than the other way around. <br /> <br />QUEBEC CAN'T WAIT TO WISH YOU 'BON VOYAGE! <br /> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'> [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />How am I intellectually dishonest? You're a total idiot. You claim Ontario is the main beneficiary? <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'> <br /> <br />Are you crazy? Ontario pays out over 10 billion a year more than it gets back. Half of Ontario lives in Toronto--and Toronto is so poorly funded our transit system has had its service cut in half--while fares have doubled. <br /> <br />You <b>really don't get it</b>. Canada is about cities. Toronto is more underfunded than any of them--Montreal as well. <br /> <br />As for the banking system--prove to me you know anything about it. ALL of Canada's money is used to finance the sell-out of Canada. it's not a provincial thing. The thing with people like you--it's all provincialism. <br /> <br />Ontario and Alberta pay for the entire country. <br /> <br />Canada is big, and Quebec is only a small part of it. It would be partitioned, and you'd lose everything, to us or to the Americans. <br /> <br />But separatists quite willingly risk the future of the French language to prove they have a Mojo. Not bright. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'> <br /> <br />I could never prove anything to you if the truth hit you in the face. We are in the era of globalization--EVERYONE in the western world is making less money than in previous decades. <br /> <br />

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PERTURBED IS GETTING EVEN MORE PERTURBED <br /> <br />[QUOTE]How am I intellectually dishonest? You're a total idiot. You claim Ontario is the main beneficiary? <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'> [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Read my previous posts before insulting me. <br /> <br />[QUOTE]Are you crazy? Ontario pays out over 10 billion a year more than it gets back. Half of Ontario lives in Toronto--and Toronto is so poorly funded our transit system has had its service cut in half--while fares have doubled.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Federal decisions always favour Ontario and Toronto. The enlargment of the St-Lawrence Seaway, the Auto pact are just a few examples. Now, if your transit system in Toronto is going down the drain, it is certainly not the separatists'fault! Look into your own municipal administration. <br /> <br />[QUOTE]As for the banking system--prove to me you know anything about it. ALL of Canada's money is used to finance the sell-out of Canada. it's not a provincial thing. The thing with people like you--it's all provincialism.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />The 5 big banks take savings from Quebeckers, yet they invest back a miserable amount in Quebec, to benefit other provinces. <br /> <br />[QUOTE]Ontario and Alberta pay for the entire country.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Have you ever wondered why is it that Ontario is able to give? Your federal propaganda is working wonders for small-minded people like you. Ontario is able to give, because it is getting. Money doesn't grow on trees. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'> <br /> <br />[QUOTE]Canada is big, and Quebec is only a small part of it. It would be partitioned, and you'd lose everything, to us or to the Americans.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Ohhh! There's the bogeyman again! How would you like to live in the West Island of Montreal, after it has been partitioned, and get up at 3:00 in the morning to commute to Toronto to work? Have a nice life! <br /> <br />And one last, thing : CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR CHOICE OF NAME! It couldn't be more representative of you. Really, <u>PERTURBED</u>, that is what you are.

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<br />MCDONALD BORDEN <br /> <br />[QUOTE]Actually Im visiting Quebec next year, because Im joining Katimavik, can't wait! I'll finally get to experience Quebec and two other provinces too. I really think that part of our problem is that Canadians do not travel Canada and talk to other Canadians as much as we should! [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />McDonald, you mean Michou, Sam, Gaulois and me have been discussing Quebec with you, its identity, its people, its politicians, its culture, and you have never been to Quebec? How can you discuss something you don't know? If you have never been to Quebec, don't speak the language, don't know anybody from there, don't watch our shows or listen to our music, don't eat our food, how can you have an opinion on us, and <u><b>HOW IN THE WORLD CAN YOU LABEL US WITH AN IDENTITY OF YOUR CHOICE?</b></u> <br /> <br />[QUOTE]English-Canadians will open that can of worms again, as will French-Canadians sometime in the future, because we simply have no choice. It's inevitable! [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />If all you know of Quebec are these stupid prejudices and clichés that abound in the English media, don't even try to open that can of worms. <br />

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Yeah, I didn't think you'd be mean about my lack of opportunity to travel <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/frown.gif' alt='Frown'> <br /> <br />To the contrary, I know many French-Canadians, my home town is half French speaking and I have family in Quebec. I know Quebeckers and I know a fair bit about Quebecois culture and history, don't stereotype me as one of those "ignorant Anglo rednecks"! I can comment regarding French-Canadians as my experience with them goes well beyond any cliches from the media. I know a LITTLE bit of French (not much as of yet), but what with working all through school I really had little time to learn. It's extremely rude and pompous to make fun of or insult somebody because they have not had the same opportunities in education as others!

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I'll open any can of worms I want, it's my God given right <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/mrgreen.gif' alt='Mr. Green'>

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As a red blooded Canadian! <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/lol.gif' alt='Laughing Out Loud'>

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And just because I dont have a taste for Poutine does not make me ignorant of French-Canadian culture, I'm pretty sure that culture goes a wee bit further than a disgusting pile of grease and salt on top of fries!

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One more thing, I'm not an ass I would not chastize somebody's views regarding my province just because they have not had the ability to travel here. I know that we do not all have the wealth to travel, so long as people are educated and have conferred with people from Ontario, than I listen openly and respectfully to their opinions. But hey, everybody's different!

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[QUOTE BY= Delenda Carthago] PERTURBED IS GETTING EVEN MORE PERTURBED <br /> <br />[QUOTE]How am I intellectually dishonest? You're a total idiot. You claim Ontario is the main beneficiary? <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'> [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Read my previous posts before insulting me. <br /> <br />[QUOTE]Are you crazy? Ontario pays out over 10 billion a year more than it gets back. Half of Ontario lives in Toronto--and Toronto is so poorly funded our transit system has had its service cut in half--while fares have doubled.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Federal decisions always favour Ontario and Toronto. The enlargment of the St-Lawrence Seaway, the Auto pact are just a few examples. Now, if your transit system in Toronto is going down the drain, it is certainly not the separatists'fault! Look into your own municipal administration. <br /> <br />[QUOTE]As for the banking system--prove to me you know anything about it. ALL of Canada's money is used to finance the sell-out of Canada. it's not a provincial thing. The thing with people like you--it's all provincialism.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />The 5 big banks take savings from Quebeckers, yet they invest back a miserable amount in Quebec, to benefit other provinces. <br /> <br />[QUOTE]Ontario and Alberta pay for the entire country.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Have you ever wondered why is it that Ontario is able to give? Your federal propaganda is working wonders for small-minded people like you. Ontario is able to give, because it is getting. Money doesn't grow on trees. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'> <br /> <br />[QUOTE]Canada is big, and Quebec is only a small part of it. It would be partitioned, and you'd lose everything, to us or to the Americans.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Ohhh! There's the bogeyman again! How would you like to live in the West Island of Montreal, after it has been partitioned, and get up at 3:00 in the morning to commute to Toronto to work? Have a nice life! <br /> <br />And one last, thing : CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR CHOICE OF NAME! It couldn't be more representative of you. Really, <u>PERTURBED</u>, that is what you are. [/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> <br />Yes, that's right--look to our municipal government for the BILLLIONS of dollars it would take to fix our subway syste, RIIIGHT! <br /> <br />I guess the poor in Toronto should raise their local property taxes to pay for it, too, right? <br /> <br />Provinces fund public transit--but the feds do in every other country. <br /> <br />Toronto gets screwed, and the Auto Pact isn't that good.....Bombardier is Quebec-based, and they get tonnes of handouts so nice try. <br /> <br />Not to mention, cities in Quebec get screwed as well--that's why awful suburbs like Laval get favoured.

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[QUOTE]I know a LITTLE bit of French (not much as of yet), but what with working all through school I really had little time to learn. It's extremely rude and pompous to make fun of or insult somebody because they have not had the same opportunities in education as others! [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Have you ever wondered why francos are bilingual? We too were working all through school and yet managed to find the time to learn English. <br /> <br />My intention was not to insult you, but to make you see that you`re not in a position to label us with some caracterisation of our identity. <br /> <br />Would you quit your present job, move in (French) Quebec, speak French on your job, send your kids to French school, get used to the education system and the legal institutions, live in an environment where your neighbours, your hairdresser, your mechanic, your corner store, your cashier at the groceries, your doctor, your provincial government civil servants, in one word, your whole life is spent in French? <br /> <br />Do this for about 10 years and tell me after that how the "label" should read.