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Should Canada end its policy of Indian Apartheid?
Yes. One Canada, One People  78%  [ 21 ]
No. Multiculturalism Starts With Canada's Indians  19%  [ 5 ]
Maybe.  4%  [ 1 ]
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 3:09 pm
 


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Why don't you go and find another thread, sweetheart!

toodles!


Nope...... I think I'll just re-post my last post 1500 times over the next week and claim I'm making new points.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:10 pm
 


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And after lipping off to a mod, I think the jail might be your new sheet-shitting destination. Again.


I can't see the mod doing that. He was very forward in questioning her motives and she retaliated more or less as harsh. I agree with QBC on both points, that she try to be more than a one trick pony and that ostensibly, frivolous suspensions are inappropriate.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:30 pm
 


I have just finished reading all the drivel that has been written on the subject of our Canadian natives. I can tell many of you have read a lot of books, news stories etc. But have you ever been there.

Until you spend some time with our native people you don't know sqat. I grew up in Northern Ontario I went to school with natives from the reserves as well as those that did not. I spent time on the reserves and I don't care what anyone says i have a lot of respect for all natives period. If the system we presently are under comes to a end it should be on their terms and equitable. Trouble is when you deal with the government nothing is equitable.

I have also worked in Northern Saskatchewan, Manitoba. and on Baffin Island. So I have had the opertunity to see a lot. Mistakes have been made on both sides.

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Someone wrote Trudeau was a terrible Prime Minister . I agree he gave Canada away and stole all existing Canadians rights. :rock: I think he wanted us all to live on ashrams. But as I guess you are from the west do not start jumping up and down with joy. I also lump that crazy old fool John Diefenbaker in as a loser. He gave away our independance from the United States and our defense industry. :x


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:00 pm
 


Dodger57 Dodger57:
Until you spend some time with our native people you don't know sqat.


Awas! Kiki'skwe'pa'n!

Dodger57 Dodger57:
I grew up in Northern Ontario I went to school with natives from the reserves as well as those that did not. I spent time on the reserves and I don't care what anyone says i have a lot of respect for all natives period.


You're kidding right? Indians lead in every negative statistic you can cite from suicide to crime to illiteracy and this is all exasperated by a bunch of Chiefs who use liberals as the muscle to prop up their little fiefs. How the hell you can respect that is beyond me.

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If the system we presently are under comes to a end it should be on their terms and equitable. Trouble is when you deal with the government nothing is equitable.


Define "equitable"


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:10 am
 


grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:
Dodger57 Dodger57:
Until you spend some time with our native people you don't know sqat.


Awas! Kiki'skwe'pa'n!

Dodger57 Dodger57:
I grew up in Northern Ontario I went to school with natives from the reserves as well as those that did not. I spent time on the reserves and I don't care what anyone says i have a lot of respect for all natives period.


You're kidding right? Indians lead in every negative statistic you can cite from suicide to crime to illiteracy and this is all exasperated by a bunch of Chiefs who use liberals as the muscle to prop up their little fiefs. How the hell you can respect that is beyond me.

Dodger57 Dodger57:
If the system we presently are under comes to a end it should be on their terms and equitable. Trouble is when you deal with the government nothing is equitable.


Define "equitable"


Good for them, bad for us. I can practically hear the tax dollars being pissed away...


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I cannot think of, or find any other nation, but the NDN Ppl, that were suppressed Ppl, espevcially Economically, they were shut up in the reserves, and told, not to come out, to work, or to bring out any inventions, And the children to be molested by them , too, on them of all that. They children to be teared away from there maternal parents, for many years, and raped and molested, children being molested by the white race.


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Ild like to add, too. the chinese, were allowed to work, and at least the blacks were allowed to see the businesses, and see first hand how they opperate. But no we were totally shut out,,just like penitentiary prisons, today,,away from society. So we had no patterns to go by, the last residential school was closed at 1988, that was only, a lil over 12 yrs ago, lotta wounded ppl out there, after you molest ppl, in every area of there lifes, now you want them to be up to par?, ur are fucken retarded


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:30 pm
 


grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:
Has the time come to explore the dismantling of Canada’s Indian Reserves?

A few arguments in favour:

-Canada’s reserves are home to the highest crime rates per capita in Canada.
-Native self-governance so far has been a failure marked by nepotism and corruption.
-There are more natives with claims against the Residential Schools then actually attended illustrating the culture of perceived persecution.
-Canada’s reserves sit in third-world squalor despite the amazing generosity of the Canadian taxpayer.
-Race based reserves breed more race based laws such as BC’s race based fishery, Alberta’s race based tax laws and race based reserve membership laws and prevent equal participation in society of all Canadians.
-Singling out Indians for preferential status while making new immigrants bore the cost is extremely unfair.
-The argument that agreements can’t be changed is counter to Canada’s culture and history of overturning laws and traditions to appease the social flavour of the moment.
-The welfare mentality on reserves breeds economic apathy and cultures social dependency.
-Life expectancy on reserves is less then for natives on non-reserves.
-Reserves do not allow for property rights preventing multi-generational wealth transfer, equity leveraging and other financial empowerment.
-Residents of reserves experience significantly higher rates of suicide, depression and other sociological disorders

The current generation on the reserve is a write off. Subsequent generations should be fully integrated into Canadian society as full and equal participants.

To those who would suppress meaningful debate on the issue of Apartheid through accusations of racism I ask you this; ta'n(i)te' e'tohte'yan, ke'kwa'n (ka'-)wa'pahtaman, ke'kwa'n ke'-to'taman wa'pahke'!


Hinsi,

I have to say that the reserve system was quite ridiculous from the very beginning. The government was trying to isolate the Indians because of cultural differences yet made every effort to suppress Native culture, that includes making various aspects of it illegal. To this day, assimilation is certainly not at the forefront of the government's dealings with Indians, but integration is all the more difficult. Like Grainfed pointed out, some Indians cannot get off reserves because of finances as well as reserve regulations. However, I cannot fully support the complete elimination of reserves for fear that too many of our people will become permantly lost to White culture, and that this would hinder any existence of self government by the nations. At the same time though, many of the Nations' council's are corrupte, and are in desperate need of reforming themselves. I see the first step for my cousins to take in improving their living is the reforming of their councils into more traditional democratic forms, where there is both more flexibility and capacity for criticisme from the people.

In regard to the point made on crime on reserves, there are a wide variety of reasons why this is, the least of wich is that they live on reserves. Aboriginals have just as much crime trouble anywhere else. Try finding a stat that tells how much crime per aboriginal in a city occurs, you'll probably find similar statistics.

I have already commented on Native self government, but historically every other people on the planet has encountered this at somepoint. Consider the quite recent sponsorship scandal.

"...despite the amazing generosity of the Canadian taxpayer", I believe that the lack of successful results is the product of programs designed not to solve any long term problems for aboriginals, but simply to temporarily satisfy them, much like the "bribing of Quebec" mentioned on another thread. Though, I am forced once again to reference the corruption in modern Indian and Metis governments.

Race based systems are wrong, I agree, but how else to prevent the ultimate assimilation of the people? And the laws regarding hunting and fishing are for the protection of a culture, and all Canadians should have the right to protect their culture.

"Canadian traditions" are irrelevant in dealing with Indian affaires.

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The welfare mentality on reserves breeds economic apathy and cultures social dependency.


I agree, I see this as very much the breed of losing our culture, trying to regain it and not knowing precisely what it is. This also ties into crime.

I'm not completely sure about reserve property systems, but I know that before the government we were more or less commies.

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-Residents of reserves experience significantly higher rates of suicide, depression and other sociological disorders


Once again I see that this point has little to do with living on reserves, but if we die young as Indians, then I don't mind at all.

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The current generation on the reserve is a write off. Subsequent generations should be fully integrated into Canadian society as full and equal participants.



I agree that we should be integrated, but not those of us who don't want to, many of the Cree of Quebec for example who still live very traditional lifestyles.

I'll have to ask my grandma about your statement in Cree, to be honest, my families forgotten almost all Cree and French since living in the city.


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