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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:10 am
 


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Overall ICBC delivers cheaper insurance than private insurance.

People with clean records but only 5 years of driving experince, could expect to pay 3,000+ a year for insurance in Alberta, while I don't think I ever paid more than 1,200 in BC.

Currently I pay about equal to what I would in the lower mainland, with my age and record.

Which if I got similar insurance in a large US city would be about the same.


That's a pretty sweeping generalization. It wasn't too many years ago that ICBC was obscenely expensive for anyone under 25 no matter the years of experience or where they lived. I pay way less for insurance in Alberta for all of my vehicles than I ever would in BC.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:12 am
 


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What are you talking about and what does that have to do with this thread?

Never mind, I am done. I only come here to get some information, and all I am getting is my balls busted for no good reason.

For some reason I have seemed to really get under some of your skin, when all I have been trying to do is learn.


Don't sweat it. The waving of the ePeen will stop.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:29 am
 


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Why is it so expensive to live in Canada compared to the U.S?

Just to preface, I am not here to knock the Canadian system. I seek only to understand.

Both Countries have dairy subsidies from what I have read, but milk in Boise Idaho is around $2.50 a gallon while it is around $4.50 for 4 liters, just around a cup more than the American gallon and $2.00 more in price here in BC.

When I am in Superstore or any other Canadian grocery store, most items are more expensive here. Why is it an item you find in America cost more in BC? Also, many items associated with being American are manufactured here in Canada... so I would think that would lower the price, but it does not.

Like Budweiser. Here in Canada it is brewed by Labatt, a Canadian company, but Budweiser costs much more here in BC than in Boise Idaho. Again why? From what I have heard, I can buy Canadian beer in Boise cheaper than what I can get it for here in BC.

Now Boise Idaho has great prices, and I understand places like NYC and L.A. have higher prices than Boise. So region definitely plays a part. Perhaps the high prices are just here in the Vancouver area and the Fraser Vally. I have not done enough traveling through Canada to know if the high prices are regional of throughout the Country.


I'll let you in on a secret - in most countries I've visited (and/or lived in) - American-made products almost always cost MORE than domestic products. That is usually due to importation duties and shipping costs. Same goes for lots of foreign-made products here in North America.

There are lots of reasons for price differences between Canada and the USA - lower population (both density and total numbers), different taxation systems, different societal priorities (health care and social programs up here and privatized medicare and a huge military down there for starters). Our geographical size also plays a significant factor, because it takes more energy & time (shipping costs) to ship something from California to Canada than it does to most parts of the USA. And even though NAFTA exists, some products still incur duties when they cross the border.

The big difference on alcohol, cigarettes, etc. are because of sin taxes - the government takes a far bigger chunk of the price here in Canada than it does in the US. For the most part, this isn't really to stop people from consuming them, but generally looked at as a method of funding the costs of those products on society (although some past governments have tried raising prices on cigarettes to prevent usage, but that just created a black market in the product, so prices were dropped again).

I'd say basically it boils down to a difference in culture - Americans tend to be concerned about themselves and their individual rights, while Canadians tend to be more collective and worry about our country as a whole. Just look at the difference in national mottos: US = Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, Canada = Peace, order and good government.

The bottom line is we have a very different outlooks on how our countries should be run.

And sorry, but comparing Boise with Vancouver and Fraser Valley is totally specious. If I compared New York City and Kamloops would it be fair? Of course not. At the very least, you need to compare similar sized cities with similar standards of living.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:42 am
 


We get well ripped off here. Going out for a meal in the US and Canada is the first clue. I haven't bought any lenses or other camera gear here for years. Even with shipping and HST, the stuff I get from B+H Photo in NYC is 30-40% cheaper than any Canadian store.

A lot of the price differentials can't be explained with logic. We are getting ripped off but it's not as bad as it was. As long as we complain and shop in the US, retailers will slowly but surely bring their prices down.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:03 pm
 


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We get well ripped off here. Going out for a meal in the US and Canada is the first clue. I haven't bought any lenses or other camera gear here for years. Even with shipping and HST, the stuff I get from B+H Photo in NYC is 30-40% cheaper than any Canadian store.

A lot of the price differentials can't be explained with logic. We are getting ripped off but it's not as bad as it was. As long as we complain and shop in the US, retailers will slowly but surely bring their prices down.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:10 pm
 


we have way more infrastructure here in less populated areas. All of that costs $$ maybe money we no longer want to spend?? that's up to the electorate to decide, but I do no from a consumer POV, yes we are getting ripped off.

You can NOT tell me it's market forces that makes a vehicle made in Ontario, and driven across the road to a dealer should be 20% more $ than a similar or identical model being SHIPPED thousands of Km to Texas, when they are made in the same factory.

It's complete and utter BS.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:28 pm
 


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That's a pretty sweeping generalization. It wasn't too many years ago that ICBC was obscenely expensive for anyone under 25 no matter the years of experience or where they lived. I pay way less for insurance in Alberta for all of my vehicles than I ever would in BC.

When I started driving in BC I was at 100%. No penalty for being young or male. Just no reduction off the starting amount. Alberta with private insurance hammered the younger guys I worked with. People with basic liability paid 3 times as much as I do now and I have a full package. What pissed some of the younger guys off was having to leave BC and come to Alberta and getting hit with $2000 of extra insurance costs.

How many years ago was ICBC hitting young drivers with a huge premium?


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:32 pm
 


ICBC has always given young guys a break, because they don't discriminate on the basis of sex the way other insurers do. In turn, the older, very safe drivers may be overpaying a bit. They've recently proposed looking further back at your driving record to set rates, and said 2/3 of people would pay more, 1/3 less. The outcry made them drop the idea. I started driving when private insurance was still in place - my rates dropped considerably when ICBC came in.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:32 pm
 


I don't remember ICBC costing too much, until I put in a windshield claim and watched my premiums jump!


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:38 pm
 


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I don't remember ICBC costing too much, until I put in a windshield claim and watched my premiums jump!


And this wouldn't happen with private insurance?


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:42 pm
 


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2Cdo 2Cdo:
I don't remember ICBC costing too much, until I put in a windshield claim and watched my premiums jump!


And this wouldn't happen with private insurance?


Not the insurance I have now. Back then I had no tickets, no convictions and the claim was for a cracked windshield from a rock tossed by a dump truck, but apparently ICBC determined I was at fault for driving my car. :roll:

Like I said, it was fairly cheap until you needed it. I don't know what it's like now as I haven't been with them in over 25 years.

My private company here in Ontario allows one at fault claim and one traffic violation before any rate hikes. Luckily I haven't used either yet!


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:46 pm
 


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2Cdo 2Cdo:
I don't remember ICBC costing too much, until I put in a windshield claim and watched my premiums jump!


And this wouldn't happen with private insurance?


Not the insurance I have now. Back then I had no tickets, no convictions and the claim was for a cracked windshield from a rock tossed by a dump truck, but apparently ICBC determined I was at fault for driving my car. :roll:

Like I said, it was fairly cheap until you needed it. I don't know what it's like now as I haven't been with them in over 25 years.

My private company here in Ontario allows one at fault claim and one traffic violation before any rate hikes. Luckily I haven't used either yet!

I got a speeding ticket 2 or so years ago, and a letter from ICBC telling me this was my first and last warning and that if I violated again within a year, my premium would go up and I was to follow a safe driving course.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:47 pm
 


Brenda Brenda:
I was to follow a safe driving course.


[huh]

Did you mean attend a safe driving course?


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2Cdo 2Cdo:
Brenda Brenda:
I was to follow a safe driving course.


[huh]

Did you mean attend a safe driving course?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:50 pm
 


Brenda Brenda:
2Cdo 2Cdo:
Brenda Brenda:
I was to follow a safe driving course.


[huh]

Did you mean attend a safe driving course?

ESL combined with blonde moment :oops:


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