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Does Canada Need A Military?
Yes  88%  [ 23 ]
No  8%  [ 2 ]
No, just a national guard  4%  [ 1 ]
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:17 am
 


grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:
There is a saying amongst some NATO soliders.

The best soldier in the world is a Canadian fighting with American kit and lead by German officers.


Too true...


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:18 am
 


I should add that if Canada goes off on the ill-advised idea of letting the USA foot the bill for her protection while Canada dismantles her military you will one day wake up to find the Stars & Stripes flying in your neighborhood.

You're sitting on trillions of dollars of oil and if you won't protect it then we'll steal it before anyone else does.

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Isn't that what the lieberals in Canada say we'll do?

Sometimes the liberal Canadians really amaze me.

I hear all of this raging anti-US rhetoric yet the actions they take are not consistent with their words.

If the USA was all as bad as the lieberals say we are then shouldn't Canada look more like an armed camp?

Why would fools disarm themselves only to be forced to trust the very people they say they trust the least?

Sorry, but the liberals just come off as retarded here. :roll:


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:07 pm
 


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“For over a decade, no Canadian Prime Minister has expressed such unambiguous support for a sister democracy under attack,” said Alastair Gordon, President of the Canadian Coalition for Democracies (CCD). “Israel’s obvious right of self-defence has been denied by former government leaders in this country, a right that Canadians would demand for themselves under similar circumstances.

“The changes to Canada’s foreign policy since the election have re-established Canada as a leading voice for liberal Western values,” said David Harris, CCD Senior Fellow for National Security. “Canadians look forward to Prime Minister Harper’s continuing leadership in the defence of freedom, democracy and the rule of law when he meets with world leaders at the G8 Conference.”


That's what I'm talking about. Real time foreign policy followed by sanctions, trade suspensions, recalling ambasidors, and even force, if nessesary.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:37 pm
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
I should add that if Canada goes off on the ill-advised idea of letting the USA foot the bill for her protection while Canada dismantles her military you will one day wake up to find the Stars & Stripes flying in your neighborhood.

You're sitting on trillions of dollars of oil and if you won't protect it then we'll steal it before anyone else does.

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Isn't that what the lieberals in Canada say we'll do?

Sometimes the liberal Canadians really amaze me.

I hear all of this raging anti-US rhetoric yet the actions they take are not consistent with their words.

If the USA was all as bad as the lieberals say we are then shouldn't Canada look more like an armed camp?

Why would fools disarm themselves only to be forced to trust the very people they say they trust the least?

Sorry, but the liberals just come off as retarded here. :roll:


case-in-point #1
64million hand held anti aircraft missle launchers and high altitude defense

case-in-point #2
85% trade equals stars and stripes flying in our neighbourhoods regardless what military defense we have

...nope I'd say at best we are american hosts pointlessly resisting and at best there will be a minimal resistance equivalent to wacko texas ...the NAU will exist in formal form instead of just by word of mouth and these Canadians who say we resist american policies and politics are so full of it , its hard to believe they open their mouths at all . Majority of them have homes both in the US and Canada and work trade eat sleep shit and shower in/with the US. Time to act like Northern Latinos because thats what we are . Do I hate americans NOPE but I can't stand corporate america and would rather act like this is a global market and pump world trade into high gear and scrap the 85% concentration , then play with the idea of military . Alot of Canadians and anti US CKA posters are full of shit when they bark up endless paragraphs of how they want to keep our sovreignty and how much harm the US does to Canadian policies and politics . I mean that in a polite way but damn if it isn't true .


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:00 pm
 


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It was the Medak Pocket.



That's the one. Thanks!


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:12 pm
 


After reading on some different situations from this time period, I realise how horribly wrong I was. Canada was always there when help was needed. We could be depended on to come through.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:14 pm
 


Damn straight. Which is why people who say: "Canada? Canada is pointless...What have they done?" really strike a nerve.....


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:57 pm
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
I should add that if Canada goes off on the ill-advised idea of letting the USA foot the bill for her protection while Canada dismantles her military you will one day wake up to find the Stars & Stripes flying in your neighborhood.

You're sitting on trillions of dollars of oil and if you won't protect it then we'll steal it before anyone else does.

[/sarcasm]

Isn't that what the lieberals in Canada say we'll do?

Sometimes the liberal Canadians really amaze me.

I hear all of this raging anti-US rhetoric yet the actions they take are not consistent with their words.

If the USA was all as bad as the lieberals say we are then shouldn't Canada look more like an armed camp?

Why would fools disarm themselves only to be forced to trust the very people they say they trust the least?

Sorry, but the liberals just come off as retarded here. :roll:


OK Bart. Time to dispell all your misinformation.

First off.

Libs and the military. Lets examine the Paul Martin 2003 Libs OK.

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The Canadian ruling class, for its part, is determined not to be left out or behind in this great game. Over the past decade, and particularly since 2001, the right-wing and big business have been mounting an ever-more shrill campaign to promote the need to retool and reinvigorate the CAF and for Canada to play a more significant role in upholding international order. The following demand from the Canadian Council of Chief Executives, the country’s most powerful business lobby group, is typical: “Canada must build on its proud tradition of peacekeeping by rebuilding a credible capacity to contribute to global security. This should include an ability to respond meaningfully and rapidly to crises anywhere in the world.”

The Liberal government of Paul Martin has responded to these calls. During last year’s election campaign, Martin pledged to increase Canada’s troop strength by 5,000. The February 2005 budget included a $12.8 billion plan to expand and strengthen the Canadian Armed Forces—the largest cash injection into Canada’s military in a generation. Among the plan’s key provision is the development of a rapid deployment force for use in international crises.

The budget announcement, it should be noted, was carefully coordinated with the Martin government’s decision that Canada will not formally participate in the Bush administration’s Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) program. The juxtaposition of the two announcements exemplifies the quandary faced by the minority Liberal government.

While Martin and his Liberals are eager to fulfill the ruling-class demand for a revitalized armed forces and a greater Canadian role on the world stage, they fear the political consequences of an explicit repudiation of the Canadian nationalist myth that Canada and its military have played a unique and honorable role in world affairs, shunning war in favor of peacekeeping.


This is a criticism from socialist. Hey, if increased military spending by the Libs is pissing off the socialists then you gotta think we are doing something right.

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I hear all of this raging anti-US rhetoric yet the actions they take are not consistent with their words.


No you don't. All you hear is bitching, the same bitching we hear from you guys when you notice us.

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I should add that if Canada goes off on the ill-advised idea of letting the USA foot the bill for her protection while Canada dismantles her military you will one day wake up to find the Stars & Stripes flying in your neighborhood.


If you are saying that your country and its people are so untrustworthy and underhanded that they would simply walk in and take us over because we have taken a more peaceful route in world politics then either you think less of your own citizenry or we have erroneously assumed we are friends.

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Why would fools disarm themselves only to be forced to trust the very people they say they trust the least?


We don't trust you the least. In fact if we polled all of Canada I would bet my ferrets that you are the country whos citizens we trust the most, and by a wide margin. The reason you hear such loud criticism (that would get other countries nuked) is entirely because we do trust you and that you aren't going to bomb us because we diagree with your stance on "X".

You hold your tougue at work yet when you get home among family you feel comfortable to vent.

Does any of this seem reasonable?

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Sorry, but the liberals just come off as retarded here.


Us and virtually the entire world think the same about bush and co. He blew every ounce of sympathy and good will to avenge his daddies honour (and thats all it was) and went into Iraq. There is no greater safety in the US, in fact its far worse because you have no choice but to suspect even us and our open borders. Iraq ......... well, another time.

Just because our fathers are arguing about leaves in the backyard doesn't mean we still can't be friends. Right?


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I can think of one big reason we need a military...maintaining our soveriegnty. If you don't want an independent country, then by all means, disband the military. We don't live in an ideal world where we could idealy go without a military, so why even consider the option?

Our nation needs a military now more than ever. As technology advances, we'll require it even more. There are dozens of countries on this planet slowly but surely coming into their own, many with technology and finances to project their will wherever. They don't have to launch a full on invasion of Canada in order to be a major problem to us. Canada could be taken apart piecemeal and we'd be powerless to stop it without a military.

But, couldn't we just call in the Americans or the British for help? I'd think twice if I were you. Say some foreign nation harrasses us or takes some of our land. Do you think that if American or British soldiers come over to our country and fight off the invaders, they'll just leave once the fighting's over? If you think that, you're far too naive to be criticizing the need for a military. Once American or British blood is spilled and considerable American or British funds expended, they'll take what they fought for. Asking other countries to defend a piece of our country is like calling open season for it's annexation.

Forget foreign powers for a minute, what about internally. Trudeau called upon the military in the FLQ crisis. Without a military, the government would be vulnerable to insurrection. And how long until external powers were involved and then the inevitable annexation to follow.

The role of the Canadian military is not to fight ridiculous worst case scenarios like invasion from China or the United States. Nor is it our military's mandate to project itself powerfully around the world like countries with ten times our population. The role of the Canadian military is take responsibility for defense of our own country, so we don't lose our sovereignty by turning to "allies" for help. Our allies have their own countries...more importantly, they have their own INTERESTS. Canada is our country and we better start treating it as such.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:10 am
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
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I think what people who might question the need for a Military are thinking is, that there might be a better use for the billions of dollars it costs?

education? heath care? equalization? reduce crime in our own land?


All of those things are irrelevant in a world where you must have a military to protect them.

Ah yes, I should note that as of Monday, July 31st I get to go back to inactive status again so my posts on here will likely increase again - much to the chagrin of a few people, I'm sure.

Anyhow, a good military and a good IT department are very similar.

When you have either one you rarely need them and, consequently, foolish people then fail to see the need for them.

A past IT job I had was where I got criticized for all of the redundancies I'd built into the network and was forced to watch one day as corporate had a team come in and remove all of my redundant equipment.

Why?

Because no one had ever seen a problem.

That's because I had a redundant network - whenever problems occured I'd casually fix them and no one saw that we'd had a server crash, reboot, or etc.

So I lost about $30,000 worth of equipment and was chastised for being "paranoid".

Then one Saturday my pager went off while I was in San Francisco and I giggled and my wife asked what was up. I told her the network had predictably crashed.

I enjoyed my day off and when we got home at 9pm that night I went in to see what was up.

It was a hard-down situation and since my backup server was gone along with my mirrored array we were toast.

The entire event cost the company over eight million in lost revenues and lost productivity.

Naturally, some fucktard tried to hang it all on me.

Now move over to the military:

A good military is ready to meet and blunt a threat before it comes to your shores. Most potential enemies will look at this and wisely choose not to mess with you because they've estimated that you can kick their asses.

So the fools come out of the woodwork and say that you don't need a good military because no one has attacked you.

When the real fact is that no one has attacked you because you have a good military.

Case in point:

Argentina is 'negotiating' with Britain about the Falkland Islands instead of invading it again.

Why do you think that is? :idea:


Haha, all too true. It's like coming in under budget...what happens the next time? Your budget gets a vicious hacking. If it weren't for the sheer idiocy of humanity there would be no humour in the world.


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I agree, Tricks. The guy in the article is obviously retarded, as he has no clue about what goes on in the world. We Jeed to assert our sovereignty, carry out peacekeeping missions, provide humanitarian relief, in case of domestic disaster, the military is there to help. Face it, the Military is needed...Even for a place as safe and as well-liked as Canada.....


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