[JOHNNY1PROUDCANADIAN]

It's all true.....BUSH , BLAIR lied to the world

[Bigboy]

I wonder if we will see anything like this on are news.. its amazing how many times even canadian media wont report this kind thing.

[Patrick_Ross]

No question!
BUT, let's clear up a common misconception:
The war in Iraq was NOT about oil. The fact is that the United States did not need to go to war to get Iraq's oil if they wanted it badly enough. There is one reason for this -- Saddam Hussein WANTED to sell the United States oil. He was, in fact, desparate to. All things considered, the monetary and manpower investment in the war in Iraq and the subsequent rebuilding of the Iraqi oilpatch doesn't offer any kind of beneficial return for the United States.
The war in Iraq was not about oil. It was about engineering a political environment in the Middle East that was more favourable to the United States. By eliminating Iraq as an adversary, and engineering a Middle Eastern nation that was more amicable to the United States (more reliably so than on-again-off-again ally Saudi Arabia, who tends to support the U.S. at times of Republican Governments, and not so much during times of Democrat Governments) the U.S. and Britain have given themselves a Middle Eastern ally that is NOT Israel.

[The Hoser]

In my opinion, 9/11 was just an economical version of "Operation Northwoods" an operation in which President Kennedy and his Chief of Staff authorized terrorists attacks on American cruise ships and coastal cities. They blamed said attacks on Cuba in order to scare the public into supporting an Invasion. 9/11 is, in my opinion, very similar. I think (And this is probably the conspirator in me) that Bush was behind the whole thing (Ok, not Bush personally, but whoever is pulling his strings) so that he could, A, scare the populace into buying usless safty gear , B, the funding of American defence corporations of which he is a puppet, and C to support an invasion of Afganistan which he could then use to invade Iraq. Whoever is pulling his strings is rather clever.

[JOHNNY1PROUDCANADIAN]

What the hell are you talking about Ross....

[The Hoser]

Patrick_Ross Patrick_Ross:

No question!
BUT, let's clear up a common misconception:
The war in Iraq was NOT about oil. The fact is that the United States did not need to go to war to get Iraq's oil if they wanted it badly enough. There is one reason for this -- Saddam Hussein WANTED to sell the United States oil. He was, in fact, desparate to. All things considered, the monetary and manpower investment in the war in Iraq and the subsequent rebuilding of the Iraqi oilpatch doesn't offer any kind of beneficial return for the United States.
The war in Iraq was not about oil. It was about engineering a political environment in the Middle East that was more favourable to the United States. By eliminating Iraq as an adversary, and engineering a Middle Eastern nation that was more amicable to the United States (more reliably so than on-again-off-again ally Saudi Arabia, who tends to support the U.S. at times of Republican Governments, and not so much during times of Democrat Governments) the U.S. and Britain have given themselves a Middle Eastern ally that is NOT Israel.

You definatly raise some good points. I do disagree, however, that the Iraq war wasn't for oil. Think about it. How come America hasn't ordered full scale invasions of North Korea, or any of the African countries that are a LOT worse off then Iraq? Because none of those countries are oil heavy. North Korea has nukes and a crazy dictator for chirst's sake, but they don't do shit. I personally can't exactly explain why they didn't just buy the oil, maybe it's because they'd already turned Saddam into this big bad guy who couldn't be trusted. They can't just turn around a buy oil from him, imagine the political backlash? Invading Iraq was probably worse than anything that could have happened from that, but then again, Bush IS an idiot afterall.

[Constantinople]

The Dark Canuck The Dark Canuck:

Patrick_Ross Patrick_Ross:

No question!
BUT, let's clear up a common misconception:
The war in Iraq was NOT about oil. The fact is that the United States did not need to go to war to get Iraq's oil if they wanted it badly enough. There is one reason for this -- Saddam Hussein WANTED to sell the United States oil. He was, in fact, desparate to. All things considered, the monetary and manpower investment in the war in Iraq and the subsequent rebuilding of the Iraqi oilpatch doesn't offer any kind of beneficial return for the United States.
The war in Iraq was not about oil. It was about engineering a political environment in the Middle East that was more favourable to the United States. By eliminating Iraq as an adversary, and engineering a Middle Eastern nation that was more amicable to the United States (more reliably so than on-again-off-again ally Saudi Arabia, who tends to support the U.S. at times of Republican Governments, and not so much during times of Democrat Governments) the U.S. and Britain have given themselves a Middle Eastern ally that is NOT Israel.

You definatly raise some good points. I do disagree, however, that the Iraq war wasn't for oil. Think about it. How come America hasn't ordered full scale invasions of North Korea, or any of the African countries that are a LOT worse off then Iraq? Because none of those countries are oil heavy. North Korea has nukes and a crazy dictator for chirst's sake, but they don't do shit. I personally can't exactly explain why they didn't just buy the oil, maybe it's because they'd already turned Saddam into this big bad guy who couldn't be trusted. They can't just turn around a buy oil from him, imagine the political backlash? Invading Iraq was probably worse than anything that could have happened from that, but then again, Bush IS an idiot afterall.

We already have strong allies in that region: South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, and Australia.

[The Hoser]

So? I thought Bush was all about spreading democracy? North Korea is one of the most subjugated places on Earth, and the US does nothing? What about China? One of the most opressive cultures ever, and their Communists to boot (somthing the US is known for going mental on) Then again, I guess if yuo got rid of China, where would all America's slave labour come from?

[JOHNNY1PROUDCANADIAN]

BUSH IS NO BETTER THEN HITLER WAS....BOTH 2 EVIL MONSTERS

[Constantinople]

Spreading democracy is just icing on the cake.

[Constantinople]

johnny2 johnny2:

BUSH IS NO BETTER THEN HITLER WAS....BOTH 2 EVIL MONSTERS

You're funny.

[The Hoser]

TheUSofA1776 TheUSofA1776:

Spreading democracy is just icing on the cake.

No, it's a lie the Bush and his pupetteer came up with after their other WMD lie was sunk, it's an effetive tool to keep their sinking liferaft afloat, but it's wearing thin.

[The Hoser]

TheUSofA1776 TheUSofA1776:

johnny2 johnny2:

BUSH IS NO BETTER THEN HITLER WAS....BOTH 2 EVIL MONSTERS

You're funny.

I wouldn't go so far as to say Hitler. Hitler was at least a decent politican.

[Constantinople]

The Dark Canuck The Dark Canuck:

TheUSofA1776 TheUSofA1776:

Spreading democracy is just icing on the cake.

No, it's a lie the Bush and his pupetteer came up with after their other WMD lie was sunk, it's an effetive tool to keep their sinking liferaft afloat, but it's wearing thin.

Actually, it's not a lie since Iraq just held a democratic election.