[EyeBrock]

Robair Robair:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I am very doubtful about the validity of accepting immigrants into Canada who believe Hezbollah or any other terrorist organisations are their “protectors”.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news ... 41584d1992

From where they were standing, that is probably exactly how it looks. From your link:

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Hassan El-Akhras, a family member whose father was killed in the bombing, said Hezbollah is seen as a protector to people in southern Lebanon because the organization helped force the withdrawal of Israeli forces in 2000.

He said his family had no connection at all to the group. "They have nothing to do [with them] because my family lives here, and my aunts and uncles don't have any relationship with Hezbollah," he said. He said his family was targeted simply for being Lebanese. He is asking the Harper government to push for an end to the Israeli shelling and to insist on a full investigation into the bombing that killed his family members.

I don't doubt that any of us standing in their shoes would reach the same conclusion.

Yea, I think it’s wonderful we have "Canadians" spouting the virtues of a terrorist group on national TV.
The tragedy aside, these are supporters of Hezbollah telling us our elected Prime Minister is wrong.

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"I cry because my country is being destroyed. Because of whom? Israel," she said. Israel began bombing targets in southern Lebanon in retaliation for the kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers last week by the Lebanon-based terrorist organization, Hezbollah.

Ms. Akhras accused the Canadian media and Stephen Harper, the Prime Minister, of twisting the truth about the conflict and the role of Hezbollah, which Canada has listed as a terrorist organization. "Hezbollah is our protector," she said. "I ask Mr. Harper to be on our side and to say the truth about Israel -- to say that Israel entered into my house, that Hezbollah was protecting my house.

Note the "my country" quote.
Strength through diversity eh?
Now I take it this "Canadian" wasn't talking about the fair Dominion that gave her and her family refuge from the horrors of "her country".

I think she meant her "country" is still Lebanon, and particularly the part of that country ruled by Hezbollah.

Nice to see Canada inspires such loyalty from our immigrants. Maybe Hezbollah can get a few seats in Montreal?

[Robair]

Way to take two words from a quote and blow them out of proportion.

Good job, eh!

They are grieveing the loss of what, 8 family members? And you're pissed because they didn't take the time to make sure their comments were politicaly correct. Nice.

[EyeBrock]

Robair Robair:

Way to take two words from a quote and blow them out of proportion.

Good job, eh!

They are grieveing the loss of what, 8 family members? And you're pissed because they didn't take the time to make sure their comments were politicaly correct. Nice.

Nope, I'm pissed off because they openly support Hezbollah.

[Ruxpercnd]

Robair Robair:

MissT MissT:

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

MissT MissT:

We are rescuing these Canadians because Canada is a great country that does the right thing.

If we were and did then these people wouldn't be "Canadian" in the first place.

? Sorry I don't follow.

Me niether, really. But let me take a crack at it. I could be totally wrong but:

I think some folks on here have a vision of a white anglo christian canada, MissT. I suppose to folks with that sort of view a 'great' nation that does the 'right' thing would not have granted a lot of these folks citizenship in the first place...

I don't consider myself racist. I am a white anglo christian American. But, what is wrong with a white, anglo, christian Canada? Is that a condition that needs to be corrected?

Perhaps for another thread, but if blacks can be proud of being black, and indians can be proud of being indian, then why can't whites also be proud of being white? According to your logic, Italy shouldn't be so Italian. I am not ashamed to be a white anglo christian and I am not some whacko nazi. Proud of my family, my ancestors and their accomplishments.


Ok.. this thread is about examining the problems of dual citizens who go back home and expect their new country to come rescue them. That is a good valid discussion to have. Welcome to Canada! Here is your rescue card, good anywhere in the world!

[EyeBrock]

Ruxpercnd Ruxpercnd:

Robair Robair:

MissT MissT:

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

MissT MissT:

We are rescuing these Canadians because Canada is a great country that does the right thing.

If we were and did then these people wouldn't be "Canadian" in the first place.

? Sorry I don't follow.

Me niether, really. But let me take a crack at it. I could be totally wrong but:

I think some folks on here have a vision of a white anglo christian canada, MissT. I suppose to folks with that sort of view a 'great' nation that does the 'right' thing would not have granted a lot of these folks citizenship in the first place...

I don't consider myself racist. I am a white anglo christian American. But, what is wrong with a white, anglo, christian Canada? Is that a condition that needs to be corrected?

Perhaps for another thread, but if blacks can be proud of being black, and indians can be proud of being indian, then why can't whites also be proud of being white? According to your logic, Italy shouldn't be so Italian. I am not ashamed to be a white anglo christian and I am not some whacko nazi. Proud of my family, my ancestors and their accomplishments.


Ok.. this thread is about examining the problems of dual citizens who go back home and expect their new country to come rescue them. That is a good valid discussion to have. Welcome to Canada! Here is your rescue card, good anywhere in the world!

Agreed, too long this kind of debate on immigration and dual-citizens has been avoided because it was 'racist' to even challenge the sacred cow of our lax policies.

If you guys don't see anything wrong with a so called "Canadian" openly supporting a terrorist militia at a press conference in Canada then we truly are in deep shit.

Some of the anti-Jewish posts here are also very disconcerting. I can't believe so many people openly vilify the Israelis while they are responding to the kidnapping of IDF soldiers and the bombardment of Israeli civilian homes.
I feel compassion for the death and injury on both sides but the Lebanese allowed this shit state of affairs to happen with decades of appeasement to Hezbollah.


Hezbollah started all this but some people here and in the media seem to have forgotten where the blame for this crisis lies.

Hezbollah.

[SJ-24]

Good news....The first terrorist has been ordered out of Canada.

As reported on CNN.

Report: Canada orders alleged al Qaeda collaborator be deported

OTTAWA, Canada (AP) -- The Canadian government has ordered that terror suspect Mohamed Harkat be deported to his native Algeria, despite his fears that he could tortured or killed there, a newspaper reported Tuesday.

Harkat's lawyer, Paul Copeland said the Canadian Border Services Agency notified his client of the decision on Friday, a day after a Federal Court panel dismissed the government's appeal against his release this month on bail, the Ottawa Citizen reported.

The 55-page decision ruled that Harkat continued to pose a substantial danger to Canadians as an al Qaeda operative, the report said. The agency said the danger posed by Harkat outweighed the Algerian-born man's right to be protected from abuse in his native country, the report said.

However, Copeland said he would demand a judicial review of the agency's decision, the newspaper reported.

Harkat, 37, is one of five Muslim men facing deportation on "national security certificates" -- controversial anti-terrorist tools issued under federal immigration law.

He cannot be deported until the Supreme Court of Canada rules on whether the security certificates are constitutional.

Under Canada's hotly debated security certificate program, the government can detain and deport immigrants without charge, and without providing them or their lawyers with evidence, if they are deemed a threat to national security.

The Canadian Security Intelligence Service contends Harkat is an Islamic extremist and collaborator with Osama bin Laden's terrorist network.

The spy service, which watched Harkat for five years prior to his December 2002 arrest, also argues he supports Afghani, Pakistani and Chechen extremists.

Harkat denies any involvement with terrorism.

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.


I'm a pretty easy going guy. I've been to war zones and witnessed shit first hand. I know that a large majority of those caught up in a war are just victims, but in an ever growing world of Muslims taking up arms against Western people, because some asshole with the same charm as the Pope tells them to, well, I tend to agree with MCB on this. If any asshole even comes close to smelling like bullshit, I want them gone. In the case of the anyone promoting a terrorist organization in any positive light, well, I think they need to be booted out...wheel chair and all.

[IcedCap]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Maybe we should have thought twice before we granted Maysoun Al-Akhras and her family Canadian citizenship.
She believes Hezbollah are the 'protectors'.

I have to wonder how many times the plastic Canadians will have to slap the rest of Canada in the face before we wake up to the fact that not all our immigrants are upstanding people.

I am very doubtful about the validity of accepting immigrants into Canada who believe Hezbollah or any other terrorist organisations are their “protectors”.

Call me old fashioned but I don't think supporters of terrorist militias make for the best Canadian citizens.


http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news ... 41584d1992

It never ceases to amaze me how quickly some folks pass value judgments. I know showing any understanding for or acknowledgment of an opposing viewpoint isn't greatly valued on the political right but you have to accept the fact that regardless of how Hezbollah (and Hamas to an extent) might look from your perspective, to those who actually live/lived under Israeli occupation these organizations have provided support, protection and payback for want of a better word.
Who was it who got the Israelis out of Southern Lebanon? it sure as hell wasn't the US, UN or Canada it was Hezbollah. Terrorist organizations very rarely flourish in fair, stable, equitable societies but you'd like to believe that one day Hezbollah suddenly decided to start firing rockets at Israel for the hell of it.

[grainfedprairieboy]

MissT MissT:

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

MissT MissT:

We are rescuing these Canadians because Canada is a great country that does the right thing.

If we were and did then these people wouldn't be "Canadian" in the first place.

? Sorry I don't follow.

Sorry I was not very clear. If Canada where a great country it would look out for its own national interest and would put its people and identity ahead of political expediency by making citizenship a valued commodity not outside the country but within it. We would have far more stringent guidelines on the length of time it takes to acquire citizenship and we would only try to attract or retain the best and brightest in order to further advance Canada as a nation. Additionally, if we were a great "nation" we would never condone multiculturalism as that is anathematic to the very concept of nationalism.

[PluggyRug]

IcedCap IcedCap:

It never ceases to amaze me how quickly some folks pass value judgments. I know showing any understanding for or acknowledgment of an opposing viewpoint isn't greatly valued on the political right but you have to accept the fact that regardless of how Hezbollah (and Hamas to an extent) might look from your perspective, to those who actually live/lived under Israeli occupation these organizations have provided support, protection and payback for want of a better word.
Who was it who got the Israelis out of Southern Lebanon? it sure as hell wasn't the US, UN or Canada it was Hezbollah. Terrorist organizations very rarely flourish in fair, stable, equitable societies but you'd like to believe that one day Hezbollah suddenly decided to start firing rockets at Israel for the hell of it.

Well sunshine, you are guilty of your own accusations.

So the political left values opposing viewpoints.

[grainfedprairieboy]

Icedcap Icedcap:

you'd like to believe that one day Hezbollah suddenly decided to start firing rockets at Israel for the hell of it.

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Holy Moly. Hezbollah was created to attack Israel. Firing rockets, suicide bombers etc are not for the hell of it but as part of a concerted effort to drive Jews from the middle east. They will not rest until they are either destroyed or they have achieved their mission. The only barrier to peace in the region is not Israel but the Muslims who will tolerate nothing less then the complete eradication of the Jewish State. How do you negotiate? What compromise would make this all stop if only the Jews would cooperate? There is nothing. Half the countries in the region even refuse to acknowledge that Israel exists. How is it that so many of the posters who support the islamofascists are the first to be all aghast when there is a hint of intolerance in Canada?

[EyeBrock]

IcedCap IcedCap:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Maybe we should have thought twice before we granted Maysoun Al-Akhras and her family Canadian citizenship.
She believes Hezbollah are the 'protectors'.

I have to wonder how many times the plastic Canadians will have to slap the rest of Canada in the face before we wake up to the fact that not all our immigrants are upstanding people.

I am very doubtful about the validity of accepting immigrants into Canada who believe Hezbollah or any other terrorist organisations are their “protectors”.

Call me old fashioned but I don't think supporters of terrorist militias make for the best Canadian citizens.


http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news ... 41584d1992

It never ceases to amaze me how quickly some folks pass value judgments. I know showing any understanding for or acknowledgment of an opposing viewpoint isn't greatly valued on the political right but you have to accept the fact that regardless of how Hezbollah (and Hamas to an extent) might look from your perspective, to those who actually live/lived under Israeli occupation these organizations have provided support, protection and payback for want of a better word.
Who was it who got the Israelis out of Southern Lebanon? it sure as hell wasn't the US, UN or Canada it was Hezbollah. Terrorist organizations very rarely flourish in fair, stable, equitable societies but you'd like to believe that one day Hezbollah suddenly decided to start firing rockets at Israel for the hell of it.

IcedCap,

I'm sorry. When people who purport to be "Canadians" start espousing the virtues (in Canada) of a terrorist organisation, my perspective is that these people should not be in Canada.

I'm sure Hezbollah do a fine job of providing security in the Bekka Valley. Most terror organisations in the Middle East embark on ‘hearts and minds’ campaigns with madrassas etc, but they are classified as a terror organisation for many good reasons.

Israel are not the bad guys on this one. If you read the Foreign affairs web site and see the travel advisory list tensions that date back over the past couple of years you will see that none of this happened overnight.

Why do you guys point the finger at Israel all the time? They are a democracy surrounded by dictatorships and fascist Muslim states. They are there because they fled Europe after genocide wiped out millions of Jews. Hezbollah has stated it wants to eradicate Israel.
They are the victims again and why can't most of you see that?

From the Government of Canada web site:

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Hizballah, meaning "Party of God", is an Islamist terrorist organization based in Lebanon. Hizballah seeks to restore Islam to a position of supremacy in the political, social, and economic life of the Muslim world. The objectives of Hizballah, as derived from its February 16, 1985 political manifesto, include removing all Western influences from Lebanon and from the Middle East, as well as destroying the state of Israel and liberating all Palestinian territories and Jerusalem from what it sees as Israeli occupation, with no option for any negotiated peace. Guided by these goals, Hizballah's ultimate objective is to establish a radical Shi'a Islamist theocracy in Lebanon. Hizballah has been responsible for car bombings, hijackings and kidnapping Western and Israeli/Jewish targets in Israel, Western Europe and South America. Hizballah operates principally in Lebanon, but has also been active in Europe, North and South America, and Africa.

If you are saying you support Hezbollah, IcedCap then I think we have a problem.

[Numure]

This is a ridiculous thread. I though you we're better then this MCB.
This is a family, a Canadian family. That lives and works(studies) in Montréal. They all spoke fluent french. 4 children, their mother, their grand-mother and a grand-oncle. The father, resting in a life-or-death state, is a succesful pharmacist in Montréal.

Truly MCB, you really are an imbecile.

[GunPlumber]

Motorcycleboy Motorcycleboy:

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GunPlumber

MCB,

It may interest you to know that 6 of the 8 CANADIANS KILLED BY THE ISRAELIS, were members of the same family and this was their first trip to Lebanon.

It's always sad when innocents die. Hey, here's a question. How many innocents were killed by the Hezbollah rockets that landed in Haifa the day before that happened?

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Very racist of you

Yawn. All lefties and red tories accuse those who disagree with them of being "racists." Go sell that shit somewhere else because I'm bored.

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Or are you just trying to justify Israeli babarism?

Like that incredibly "barbarous" act where Israel unilaterally withdrew from the Gaza Strip, only to be subject to rocket attacks the minute they did so. Is that the kind of "barbarism" you're talking about?

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The father of this family, who fled the last Israeli war against Lebanon 26 years ago, was unable to go on the trip because he was busy running a successful pharmacy in Montreal.

Maybe you could explain to me why this proud Canadian family are now describing their dead relatives as "Martyrs."

It's funny. I remember reading about the sinking of passenger ferries in the Gulf of St Lawrence during World War 2 by German U-Boats. Yet I can't recall the families of those dead Canadian civilians refering to the victims of those atrocities as "Martyrs."

$1:

Maybe you can make a trip up there and explain to him how his murdered children weren't real Canadians?

Is this the part where you're going to tell me how you served on an un-eventful peacekeeping tour in the Golan Heights back in 1985 and as a result, you have a special insight into the conflict?

As if the fact you spent six months changing the sears on FN's and SMG's in a secure base camp, in a pacified part of the world, under a blue beret, indicates you're possessed of some particular insight.

Guess what? I'm not impressed.

$1:

By the way, protesting the genocidal behavior of an outlaw state,and our government's support for their latest atrocities, does not require you to be a citizen of that states latest victim.

Israel is the only responsible, democratic, pluralistic state in the entire Middle East. I, as a real Tory, am quite proud that we have a Prime Minister whose willing to acknowledge that. Calling Israel an "Outlaw State" is a stretch. Even for a red tory (dead tory) anti-semite such as yourself.

Don't worry though Gunplumber. Your opinion may have held sway in this country at one time. But Red Toryism died with Dalton Camp.

We're living in a big, bad, new world these days. You and Joe Clark can go fishing. Leave the big decisions to us big boys in the real Tory Party!

Don't flatter yourself DumDum. Your response here illustrates why choosing which tube sock belongs on which foot is a bigger decision than you are capable of resolving.

Oh by the way, I expect a lackminded idiot like you to rely on catchphrses and memorized propoganda to argue about things which his meager intellect will never comprehend, but since you seem to think I am an "anti-semite" (and anyone who uses that term instantly reveals the depth of their fucktardedness), I am curious: do you perceive my statements as anti-arab or anti-muslim?

[EyeBrock]

Numure Numure:

This is a ridiculous thread. I though you we're better then this MCB.
This is a family, a Canadian family. That lives and works(studies) in Montréal. They all spoke fluent french. 4 children, their mother, their grand-mother and a grand-oncle. The father, resting in a life-or-death state, is a succesful pharmacist in Montréal.

Truly MCB, you really are an imbecile.

You forgot the bit about them supporting Hezbollah.

[Robair]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Numure Numure:

This is a ridiculous thread. I though you we're better then this MCB.
This is a family, a Canadian family. That lives and works(studies) in Montréal. They all spoke fluent french. 4 children, their mother, their grand-mother and a grand-oncle. The father, resting in a life-or-death state, is a succesful pharmacist in Montréal.

Truly MCB, you really are an imbecile.

You forgot the bit about them supporting Hezbollah.

And you are unable to see anything but the two words you picked out of their statement.