[Banff]

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

Banff Banff:

Yes if the fuses are fine and the fan does not work it is the fan which needs replacing . Quite often this is the case even before the on dash switch connections fail . Grab a fan from any vehicle , I don't think it really matters what kind .(Temporary until a new one arrives)

Sometimes dropping to many cigarettes , lighters , pens , screws , etc and even ice or dirt through the dash vents can cause the vent to not open and close . Do you get any heat coming from anywhere top or below dash ? Also do you seem to get more heat as you travel faster or slower ? I know these are simple questions but if so it is your fan no ands ifs or buts ....replacing a heater fan is easy , although sometimes getting to it can be complicated depending on it's location .

I really doubt the wiring has anything to do with it unless it is the dash switches .

Actually, if your temperature rises and falls with vehicle speed it has nothing to do with fan and is indicative of either low radiator fluid or a dead battery with the vehicle running directly off alternator.

True but it also tells you the wiring , heater core , fuses etc are fine . Leaving the fan as the culpit .Sometimes plugged lines can be a problem so a flush might help too.I wonder if they are running slurpee slush through the lines . Sometimes with temps rising and falling so much versus the anit freeze /water mix can create a frozen pocket in a line.

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canadian1971 canadian1971:

ziggy ziggy:

canadian1971 canadian1971:

I had a car that lost the heater core......I went out and bought a little heater that plugs into the cig lighter.....worked better than the heater ever did...plus you can aim it where ever you want it.

This was the thermometer 2 days ago,dont think that will cut it.

Well this was in Leif Rapids Manitoba......just south west of Churchill.....got down to -40 there all the friggin time.....worked like a charm for me....just dont leave it running when your vehicle is shut off....that could cause some trouble.

Must have been one hell of a heater,nothing ive been in so far is blowing anything warm,you would think if they worked that good someone would have the equipment decked out with electric,even our tents are diesel,electric just wont cut it,one tent is and its ver, cold.But even working the shit out of the cat with the engine running at 190 and warm air coming out it.s still not enough to melt the snow thats been building in my cab since we got here,must be the wind. What was the name of this heater,how many watts? we all discusse a 12 volts and no way,a 110 with an inverter maybe,our shitter has a big ass electric in it and i left skin on the seat yesterday.

[grainfedprairieboy]

Banff Banff:

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

Banff Banff:

Yes if the fuses are fine and the fan does not work it is the fan which needs replacing . Quite often this is the case even before the on dash switch connections fail . Grab a fan from any vehicle , I don't think it really matters what kind .(Temporary until a new one arrives)

Sometimes dropping to many cigarettes , lighters , pens , screws , etc and even ice or dirt through the dash vents can cause the vent to not open and close . Do you get any heat coming from anywhere top or below dash ? Also do you seem to get more heat as you travel faster or slower ? I know these are simple questions but if so it is your fan no ands ifs or buts ....replacing a heater fan is easy , although sometimes getting to it can be complicated depending on it's location .

I really doubt the wiring has anything to do with it unless it is the dash switches .

Actually, if your temperature rises and falls with vehicle speed it has nothing to do with fan and is indicative of either low radiator fluid or a dead battery with the vehicle running directly off alternator.

True but it also tells you the wiring , heater core , fuses etc are fine . Leaving the fan as the culpit .Sometimes plugged lines can be a problem so a flush might help too.I wonder if they are running slurpee slush through the lines . Sometimes with temps rising and falling so much versus the anit freeze /water mix can create a frozen pocket in a line.

I don't think you fully understand. The fan will not work and that has absolutely postively nothing to do with fluid levels. In fact, you don't even have to run the engine but can operate fan from accessory position. Now if fan won't work the simplest thing to do is check fuse. If fuse is good then you check motor. If fan motor is good then you check switch. If switch is good then you check wire and there is many feet of wire for that motor much of it buried in the dash so a good multitester and a schematic are necessary.

Now I need to know what is wrong. Screw waiting until tomorrow get out there now Zig.

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Banff Banff:

Yes if the fuses are fine and the fan does not work it is the fan which needs replacing . Quite often this is the case even before the on dash switch connections fail . Grab a fan from any vehicle , I don't think it really matters what kind .(Temporary until a new one arrives)

Sometimes dropping to many cigarettes , lighters , pens , screws , etc and even ice or dirt through the dash vents can cause the vent to not open and close . Do you get any heat coming from anywhere top or below dash ? Also do you seem to get more heat as you travel faster or slower ? I know these are simple questions but if so it is your fan no ands ifs or buts ....replacing a heater fan is easy , although sometimes getting to it can be complicated depending on it's location .

I really doubt the wiring has anything to do with it unless it is the dash switches .

its been running steady for 2 days and the heater core is warm,putting a 12 volt hot wire directly to the lead coming out of the squuirel cage produces sparks but no fan and no fuse blow out. Starting to think a sihk sihk nested in there over winter.Worked fine when we parked it in september.

[-Mario-]

Hey Ziggy.... Do you still need help with this?????

[grainfedprairieboy]

ziggy ziggy:

I really doubt the wiring has anything to do with it unless it is the dash switches .

its been running steady for 2 days and the heater core is warm,putting a 12 volt hot wire directly to the lead coming out of the squuirel cage produces sparks but no fan and no fuse blow out. Starting to think a sihk sihk nested in there over winter.Worked fine when we parked it in september.[/quote]

Then motor is stuck or you are grounding out. Hit the thing a few times with something solid.

[-Mario-]

Have you metered the voltage at the fan????

[-Mario-]

I would blame the relay... give it a gentle tap...

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-Mario- -Mario-:

Hey Ziggy.... Do you still need help with this?????

Oh,every bit helps,we'll try everything before we rip out the cage,that looks like a huge job and there isnt any parts up here. Plus I cant go building ice road without someone watching or to rescue me if I break down. I suggested taking out the back seat,cutting a hole in the roof for a chimney and installing a diesel burning heater like in the bombi.That thing rocks.

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grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

Banff Banff:

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

Banff Banff:

Yes if the fuses are fine and the fan does not work it is the fan which needs replacing . Quite often this is the case even before the on dash switch connections fail . Grab a fan from any vehicle , I don't think it really matters what kind .(Temporary until a new one arrives)

Sometimes dropping to many cigarettes , lighters , pens , screws , etc and even ice or dirt through the dash vents can cause the vent to not open and close . Do you get any heat coming from anywhere top or below dash ? Also do you seem to get more heat as you travel faster or slower ? I know these are simple questions but if so it is your fan no ands ifs or buts ....replacing a heater fan is easy , although sometimes getting to it can be complicated depending on it's location .

I really doubt the wiring has anything to do with it unless it is the dash switches .

Actually, if your temperature rises and falls with vehicle speed it has nothing to do with fan and is indicative of either low radiator fluid or a dead battery with the vehicle running directly off alternator.

True but it also tells you the wiring , heater core , fuses etc are fine . Leaving the fan as the culpit .Sometimes plugged lines can be a problem so a flush might help too.I wonder if they are running slurpee slush through the lines . Sometimes with temps rising and falling so much versus the anit freeze /water mix can create a frozen pocket in a line.

I don't think you fully understand. The fan will not work and that has absolutely postively nothing to do with fluid levels. In fact, you don't even have to run the engine but can operate fan from accessory position. Now if fan won't work the simplest thing to do is check fuse. If fuse is good then you check motor. If fan motor is good then you check switch. If switch is good then you check wire and there is many feet of wire for that motor much of it buried in the dash so a good multitester and a schematic are necessary.

Now I need to know what is wrong. Screw waiting until tomorrow get out there now Zig.

Maybe once the blizzard stops,about 5 feet visibilty right now and instead of a north wind its from the east so theres too many new snowdrifts that you cant see. I'll just stay in my nice warm tent for tonight.Put some jet fuel in the tank so it should be warm now.

[grainfedprairieboy]

ziggy ziggy:

-Mario- -Mario-:

Hey Ziggy.... Do you still need help with this?????

Oh,every bit helps,we'll try everything before we rip out the cage,that looks like a huge job and there isnt any parts up here. Plus I cant go building ice road without someone watching or to rescue me if I break down. I suggested taking out the back seat,cutting a hole in the roof for a chimney and installing a diesel burning heater like in the bombi.That thing rocks.

Any chance of a 12v fan in one of the graders? Worst case you can at least blow air past heater core and keep your breath from freezing on windshield. But I am confident that it needs to be hit a few times. (But take stuipd soundproofing cover off first)

Trust me.

[grainfedprairieboy]

ziggy ziggy:

Now I need to know what is wrong. Screw waiting until tomorrow get out there now Zig.

Maybe once the blizzard stops,about 5 feet visibilty right now and instead of a north wind its from the east so theres too many new snowdrifts that you cant see. I'll just stay in my nice warm tent for tonight.Put some jet fuel in the tank so it should be warm now.[/quote]

Ya, you don't want to wander around with such poor visability. Guys have died looking for the outhouse.

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-Mario- -Mario-:

I would blame the relay... give it a gentle tap...

ill try that,we only have 2 heavy duty's so they did check the relay and it seemed ok. Ill check back in the morning,if the blizzard is still going im staying in bed.

[-Mario-]

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

ziggy ziggy:

-Mario- -Mario-:

Hey Ziggy.... Do you still need help with this?????

Oh,every bit helps,we'll try everything before we rip out the cage,that looks like a huge job and there isnt any parts up here. Plus I cant go building ice road without someone watching or to rescue me if I break down. I suggested taking out the back seat,cutting a hole in the roof for a chimney and installing a diesel burning heater like in the bombi.That thing rocks.

Any chance of a 12v fan in one of the graders? Worst case you can at least blow air past heater core and keep your breath from freezing on windshield. But I am confident that it needs to be hit a few times. (But take stuipd soundproofing cover off first)

Trust me.

Looks like you guys have the whole thing figured out.... I looked at sappers diagram... If you can bypass the relay on the left, it should work unless the motor is fried.

Goood luck guys. I'll with you tomorrow.

-Mario-

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grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

ziggy ziggy:

-Mario- -Mario-:

Hey Ziggy.... Do you still need help with this?????

Oh,every bit helps,we'll try everything before we rip out the cage,that looks like a huge job and there isnt any parts up here. Plus I cant go building ice road without someone watching or to rescue me if I break down. I suggested taking out the back seat,cutting a hole in the roof for a chimney and installing a diesel burning heater like in the bombi.That thing rocks.

Any chance of a 12v fan in one of the graders? Worst case you can at least blow air past heater core and keep your breath from freezing on windshield. But I am confident that it needs to be hit a few times. (But take stuipd soundproofing cover off first)

Trust me.

we did peel the cover back but didnt get it off,very tight in there. No graders here I do the grading with the cat or one of the skidders with a snow blade on it.