[ShepherdsDog]

This scenario is sort of what happened in Hebert's Dune universe. Humans had everything they needed and wanted. Robots did any and all labour. Titans(cyborgs) took over at first - as thought humanity had become too decadent and lazy... and then the AIs took over from them. It all ended with the Butlerian Jihad thousands of years later and humanity banning AIs.

[Lemmy]

My local Legion wouldn't be going dark.

[bootlegga]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Okay, so maybe you wouldn't be able to have your own island, but what if everyone had their own place to live, plenty of food, access to the best medical care possible, plenty of vacation time every year, and none of these things were linked to your job?

Meaning if you wanted to focus on art all the time you could and your income would be there anyway.

Sure, it's total Utopian claptrap, but what if?

You could travel as you desired, use all the energy you want, and whatever.

Just imagine for a moment that instead of everyone being poor (like in too many countries) everyone was relatively rich and living secure and in comfort?

Would you support it or oppose it?

Technically, that isn't rich, if everyone has it.

Still, if it was possible, I would gladly support it. However, with human nature, I don't believe it is possible.

You'll always have the happy middle who would be content with it (like myself), but you also always have the smaller segments who want more than everyone else and those who would find a way to not contribute at all and leech off of the rest of us.

If you want a case study in what happens when pretty much everyone gets rich, you need only look to 16th century Spain. They plundered the world and were drowning in gold and silver and as a result, everyone thought they were rich and many people stopped having any incentive to work hard. As a result, Spain eventually faded as a global power and is one of the poorest nations in the developed world.

[ShepherdsDog]

cue Greece

[MeganC]

Thanos Thanos:

If those girls had all the resources they needed and were no longer slaves to the economy-of-scarcity they could do something else with their lives and not have to ho it up for you.

I wish I could + you for that!

[Tyler_1]

What if everyone had a Cat.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

bootlegga bootlegga:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Okay, so maybe you wouldn't be able to have your own island, but what if everyone had their own place to live, plenty of food, access to the best medical care possible, plenty of vacation time every year, and none of these things were linked to your job?

Meaning if you wanted to focus on art all the time you could and your income would be there anyway.

Sure, it's total Utopian claptrap, but what if?

You could travel as you desired, use all the energy you want, and whatever.

Just imagine for a moment that instead of everyone being poor (like in too many countries) everyone was relatively rich and living secure and in comfort?

Would you support it or oppose it?

Technically, that isn't rich, if everyone has it.

Still, if it was possible, I would gladly support it. However, with human nature, I don't believe it is possible.

You'll always have the happy middle who would be content with it (like myself), but you also always have the smaller segments who want more than everyone else and those who would find a way to not contribute at all and leech off of the rest of us.

If you want a case study in what happens when pretty much everyone gets rich, you need only look to 16th century Spain. They plundered the world and were drowning in gold and silver and as a result, everyone thought they were rich and many people stopped having any incentive to work hard. As a result, Spain eventually faded as a global power and is one of the poorest nations in the developed world.

Ah, but what is wealth? The gold the Spaniards plundered from South America wasn't always seen as currency by the South American natives. For some of them, the value of gold's purity and shine was in making religious objects, many of which were sacrificed by throwing them into lakes as offerings to the gods. There was no intrinsic monetary value in gold for them.

One society in particular actually gave the Spaniards gold quite willingly. When the Spaniards saw how much gold they had they started asking for more. Then demanding it and finally murdering for it. They were convinced there was some kind of King Solomon's mines there somewhere. Yet the natives were trading salt for their gold, salt actually being the valued currency in that part of South America at the time.

In order for something to have a monetary value in society, society has to believe and accept that there's value in it and that includes whatever is being used for currency.

[Thanos]

MeganC MeganC:

Thanos Thanos:

If those girls had all the resources they needed and were no longer slaves to the economy-of-scarcity they could do something else with their lives and not have to ho it up for you.

I wish I could + you for that!

Thanos: Power-mad cosmic villain + defender of the ladies.

[Thanos]

Bart himself once said that if you collectivized and divided up all the existing wealth equally among everyone on the planet that within a couple of years most of it would again be concentrated in the hands of a few and through their own innocence/ignorance the vast majority would be left with virtually nothing. That's how good some of the thieves, bandits, and salesmen out there are at their vocation. There's not a sucker in existence that these kinds of pros can't separate from their money.

[Public_Domain]

[Thanos]

Name one that hasn't been bought, and repeatedly sold.

[Public_Domain]

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

Bart himself once said that if you collectivized and divided up all the existing wealth equally among everyone on the planet that within a couple of years most of it would again be concentrated in the hands of a few and through their own innocence/ignorance the vast majority would be left with virtually nothing. That's how good some of the thieves, bandits, and salesmen out there are at their vocation. There's not a sucker in existence that these kinds of pros can't separate from their money.

Wealth is not always measured in money.

Wealth in this case would best be measured in resources since money would be more or less rendered meaningless.

So if everyone had the house of their dreams, all the food they want, all the energy they could ever use, perfect health, immediate access to education and knowledge, and every imaginable personal want or need met then there'd also be no incentive to take such things away from anyone else.

[Tyler_1]

#annoying

[Public_Domain]