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[jeff744]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Yep.

I don't see a possible end to this and I don't know if even the RIAA imagines that digital copyright infringement will actually end. But they'll sure try.

ACTA will likely fail but ~15 years ago governments were actually passing resolutions that had the opposite effect, money has entered the scene and governments cannot be trusted with something created to be free to everyone.

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[Regina]

No such thing as a dangerous generic drug either........although they are at least half the price of the brand.

[herbie]

So what if we spilled beer and stomped all over your Japanese vinyl press of Dark Side of The Moon, Dad. Just download it from LimeWire, it ain't like it's worth sumpthin!
And now I'm an old fart so deaf from seeing Deep Purple live I can't tell Mozart from the cat coughing up a hairball... I don't really care if they shut them down.

[DrCaleb]

herbie herbie:

I don't really care if they shut them down.

You don't care about copyright violations being rigorously dealt with. That's fair.

But as Scape alludes to in the title, it's a 'wedge' issue. Copyright violation accusations have been used to squelch free speech in the past. The legislation puts the burden of proof on the accused. People have had their domains taken from them for exercising fair use of copyright material, because someone didn't' agree with their viewpoint. The the accused has to 'prove' fair use to get their website back from the corporate hijackers.

[RUEZ]

Yogi Yogi:

Trying to stop this is like trying to hold back the tide. There's nothing to stop me from zipping and sending music files to anyone I want. I have done, and will continue to do at my will.!

I suppose you won't complain then if someone takes something of yours without asking.

[Curtman]

Yogi Yogi:

Trying to stop this is like trying to hold back the tide. There's nothing to stop me from zipping and sending music files to anyone I want. I have done, and will continue to do at my will.!

The law does. Copyright law gives exclusive rights to copyright holders for making copies. Fair dealing provides an exception for certain circumstances. Electronic distribution is specifically listed as NOT being fair dealing. There's nothing stopping you from buying a CD, making a copy for yourself then giving away the original that I can see. You can't participate in a Peer to Peer network without distributing copies electronically though.

[BartSimpson]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

And neither can corporations.

I despise that either use clout and influence over the internet, or stand by and let these things happen.

Corporations made the internet possible. Each and every component of the net, from your computer to the cable that connects it to your modem or router, has a corporation behind it.

It's like asking a railroad corporation to recuse itself from influence over what it built. It's just not a realistic idea.

[bootlegga]

Scape Scape:

http://blog.easydns.org/2010/11/27/first-they-came-for-the-file-sharing-domains/

$1:

(Background: as you may or may not be aware, earlier in the year the US Department of Homeland Security began seizing domain names of various filesharing websites. Suddenly the agency tasked with protecting the United States from further terrorist attacks was now seizing domain names to combat copyright infringement. Without further adieu, I bring you "First they came for the file-sharing websites….)

First, they came for the file-sharing websites, because they were infringing on copyright. (I didn't care, because I didn't share files).

Then, they came for the illegal offshore pharmacies, because they were facilitating the import of dangerous generic pharmaceuticals that massively undercut the name brand companies. (I didn't care because I didn't buy generic drugs)

These first choices may have seemed odd, because there were far worse things out there on the internet to go after. However, since nobody cared too much about the file-sharing sites and the illegal generic pharmacies, they figured it was safe to take things up a notch….

So even worse things were gone after…..

Next, they came for the terrorist websites. And since criticizing the government was itself considered an act of terrorism, it meant the end for everything ranging from WikiLeaks to LewRockell.com (I didn't mind, because I didn't follow those websites).

By now, the economic malaise that began in the first decade of the new century was well into its second decade and the culprit for this was clearly known to be financial speculators, short sellers and contrarians. So then they came for the websites that disseminated unofficial economic data. Bye bye ShadowStats, Zerohedge and a whole host of others. (But I didn't care, because I was still sore from losing all my money in the housing bubble crash)

But "illegal dissent" was still rife on the internet (perhaps even more so, for some reason….)

Because constitutionalists, legal scholars and other dangerous cranks were sowing dissent and challenging the actions of Homeland Security, they came for the websites that facilitated "criminal online assembly", "unlawful collusion" and "non-sanctioned collaboration". That was the end of Facebook, Twitter and a host of others. (Not that I minded, I was never much into all those "social" websites…)

Then they needed to do something about websites that provided "tools to access criminal content".

That's when they came for Google. (That was ok, I had all the stuff I accessed bookmarked anyway)

Then they came for my neighbor's website, because they said his blog was pernicious and unauthorized. (He was kind or weird, so it didn't really bother me).

Finally, they came for me. (And nobody else cared)

Because nothing had stopped them before and they could do whatever they want.

Good find!

[Curtman]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

And neither can corporations.

I despise that either use clout and influence over the internet, or stand by and let these things happen.

Corporations made the internet possible. Each and every component of the net, from your computer to the cable that connects it to your modem or router, has a corporation behind it.

It's like asking a railroad corporation to recuse itself from influence over what it built. It's just not a realistic idea.

He was talking about The Internet I think. It came about despite the corporate attempts at building one. AOL, Compuserve, etc.. The Internet was built with opensource software, and military and academic engineering.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Curtman Curtman:

Yogi Yogi:

Trying to stop this is like trying to hold back the tide. There's nothing to stop me from zipping and sending music files to anyone I want. I have done, and will continue to do at my will.!

The law does. Copyright law gives exclusive rights to copyright holders for making copies. Fair dealing provides an exception for certain circumstances. Electronic distribution is specifically listed as NOT being fair dealing. There's nothing stopping you from buying a CD, making a copy for yourself then giving away the original that I can see. You can't participate in a Peer to Peer network without distributing copies electronically though.

That ain't what he's doing though. He's zipping them and e-mailing them. There's no need for peer to peer at all to share music files.

[Curtman]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

That ain't what he's doing though. He's zipping them and e-mailing them. There's no need for peer to peer at all to share music files.

Yogi Yogi:

I have hundreds of cd's and dvd's which I purchased. Some of these, I have downloaded to my computer. So, now I feel that I don't need the disc anymore. What should I do with them? Obviously, I can't just GIVE them away, that would be file sharing, since the person I would GIVE them to would not be paying for them! On the other hand, If I were to sell them to try to recoup my initial investment....DECISIONS...DECISIONS!

Yogi Yogi:

the gazillion songs that I downloaded for free

Yogi Yogi:

There's nothing to stop me from zipping and sending music files to anyone I want.

I don't know what he's doing, but I think he's up to no good. Sometimes he's downloading, sometimes he's ripping legit CD's to his computer, sometimes he's emailing to buddies.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Curtman Curtman:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

That ain't what he's doing though. He's zipping them and e-mailing them. There's no need for peer to peer at all to share music files.

Yogi Yogi:

I have hundreds of cd's and dvd's which I purchased. Some of these, I have downloaded to my computer. So, now I feel that I don't need the disc anymore. What should I do with them? Obviously, I can't just GIVE them away, that would be file sharing, since the person I would GIVE them to would not be paying for them! On the other hand, If I were to sell them to try to recoup my initial investment....DECISIONS...DECISIONS!

Yogi Yogi:

the gazillion songs that I downloaded for free

Yogi Yogi:

There's nothing to stop me from zipping and sending music files to anyone I want.

I don't know what he's doing, but I think he's up to no good. Sometimes he's downloading, sometimes he's ripping legit CD's to his computer, sometimes he's emailing to buddies.

OMG yer right!! All that music must be for something nefarious

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