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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:26 am
 


Sorry guys, know we already have too many religious articles, but this is just too gross not to share.

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Lawyer Says Ritual Circumcision Is Protected Activity
A lawyer for Orthodox Jewish groups asked a federal judge on Tuesday to throw out a New York City regulation requiring parents to sign a consent form before their infant sons undergo a form of Jewish ritual circumcision in which the circumciser uses his mouth to remove blood from the incision.

The lawyer, Shay Dvoretzky, said the practice, which is prevalent in parts of the ultra-Orthodox community, is a constitutionally protected religious activity. He said that requiring ritual circumcisers, known collectively as mohelim, to be involved in conveying the city’s perspective on the procedure would infringe upon their rights of free speech.

“That lies at the heart of First Amendment protection,” Mr. Dvoretzky said.

But a lawyer for the city argued that the regulation was necessary and that the practice most likely caused 11 herpes infections in infants between 2004 and 2011. Two of the infected babies died; at least two others suffered brain damage.

“The health department is not looking at the religion in determining what to do about this conduct,” said Michelle L. Goldberg-Cahn, a lawyer for the city. “The city is looking at the conduct.”

The Orthodox groups, including Agudath Israel of America and the Central Rabbinical Congress, sued the city in October to block the regulation, which was approved by the New York City Board of Health in September but is suspended until a ruling is issued in this case. The groups say that the procedure is safe and that the city has not definitively linked infections to the practice.

Infectious disease experts, several of whom filed briefs in support of the regulation, widely agree that the oral contact, known in Hebrew as metzitzah b’peh, creates a risk of transmission of herpes that can be deadly to infants because of their underdeveloped immune systems.

On Tuesday, Judge Naomi Reice Buchwald, of Federal District Court in Manhattan, heard oral arguments in the case, one that pits the sanctity of ancient religious rituals against the rigors of both modern medicine and secular government regulation. She said her decision would come within a few weeks.

Her sharpest inquiries were directed at Mr. Dvoretzky, the lawyer for the Orthodox groups.

She raised a hypothetical situation in which a single religious group amputates left pinkie fingers at birth, and asked Mr. Dvoretzky whether the city would have the authority to regulate the activity. He said it would depend upon whether the practice caused immediate, serious harm.

Judge Buchwald also said there was a direct comparison to consent requirements placed on physicians when they perform a circumcision.

Mr. Dvoretzky called that an “apples and oranges” comparison, because a physician would not perform a metzitzah b’peh.

“Wait a second,” Judge Buchwald interrupted. “They can’t perform any circumcision without consent. It’s a surgery.”

Mr. Dvoretzky said the city should undertake a broad education campaign, to prevent all infant herpes infections.

But Judge Buchwald said such a campaign would have little impact, because the risk of infections is medically well-known.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:28 am
 


Uh....ewww....wow.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:30 am
 


At least they waited until Hanukkah was over before they posted the story.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:05 am
 


$1:
A lawyer for Orthodox Jewish groups asked a federal judge on Tuesday to throw out a New York City regulation requiring parents to sign a consent form before their infant sons undergo a form of Jewish ritual circumcision in which the circumciser uses his mouth to remove blood from the incision.


Oh this is fucked.

I'm all for religious freedom, but come on! Really? 8O


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:09 am
 


It's not that far removed from drinking the blood of Christ every week is it?


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:12 am
 


xerxes xerxes:
It's not that far removed from drinking the blood of Christ every week is it?


Weak wine versus blood from a wounded infants penis?

Sure, not far removed at all. :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:01 pm
 


Religious freedom trumps child molestation now.


Wow.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:05 pm
 


Tricks Tricks:
Religious freedom trumps child molestation now.


Wow.


Well, no, not quite so broadly yet.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:33 pm
 


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But a lawyer for the city argued that the regulation was necessary and that the practice most likely caused 11 herpes infections in infants between 2004 and 2011. Two of the infected babies died; at least two others suffered brain damage.


Considering the health risks involved for the baby, and the two noted baby deaths that have already occured, I hope Judge Buchwald decides to keep the New York city regulation when she makes her ruling in a few weeks.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:37 pm
 


8O 8O 8O


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:45 pm
 


I read the title of the article and stopped reading right there....... PDT_Armataz_01_32


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:51 pm
 


Smart judge to show the man his own ass on a platter like that but I have to agree this story is not pleasing to the stomach. Excuse me a minute. 8O


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