[BartSimpson]

(Yes, it's a cut & paste...but a good one.)

From: http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/PeteFishser60308.htm

Most people have already heard about the NCU Chapel Hill incident where a Muslim student drove a vehicle into a crowd. His reason was to avenge the way Americans are treating Muslims. Here is a guy who was raised here for the most part, using all of our freedoms and education, and in the future would have had a lucrative career in his chosen field. And due to his religious beliefs, he threw it all away to gain whatever it is he thought he was getting by attacking innocent people.

This is the state of mind most Liberals and much of our government does not understand yet. Most liberals tend towards the atheistic side and have little understanding of religious matters to begin with. Most politicians in my thinking have already sold their souls for power and money and until religious actions affect their positions and assets, they will not understand either.

What the government and media have not yet grasped is the ideology that continually drives violence within Islam. They are in a frame of mind that will choose Islam over all things. Like the Borg in the Star Trek series, they walk in one mind, and in one agenda with the end result being that all others will be assimilated and eventually the entire universe will become as they are. Consuming all technology and resources until the final conquest of all civilizations. But there is one distinct difference here. Even in Star Trek, the Borg were easily identified, and never used the media or organizations to slip in among their enemies and use propaganda to sway public opinion before striking. They were up front and honest with their intentions.

With Islam it is not so easy, due to the organized way they try to show the world they are peaceful and desire to live in peace with all men. They are taught from Mohammed himself to lie if need be in order to create a false sense of security before they kill or subdue innocent targets.

They walk in our midst for years, as did this student with smiles on their faces and talking to people over the years about the peaceful ways of Islam. They eat with us, accept our hospitality, play with our children, and live a fairly normal life. Until the day they decide to attack, we see them as normal citizens happy to be living free of the Islamic laws that oppressed them or their parents before they moved. And a day comes when something that is said or done triggers the impulse in them as a memory can trigger an ex-soldier, and the results are almost always deadly. And even if the results are not, the intentions most certainly are. Like soldiers in combat, Muslims have a trigger that can be tripped by various reasons. They are taught in the Koran and Hadiths that Islam and Mohammed are to be protected and thrust upon humanity at all costs. Life means nothing if it is a non-Muslim life in their thinking.

The Muslims who claim these ideologies are spread through the mass poverty and oppression of Muslims never seem to take into account that most terrorists are college educated, and many in Western institutions. Many come from wealthy families as Bin Laden, and some were doctors such as Ayman al-Zawahiri. The young Muslim who rammed his vehicle into a crowd had a degree in Psychology. He had the means to go to college, and he had the higher education to plan his attack. So I do not buy into this Muslim theory that these people attack due to poverty or ignorance.

And here we are in America , living next door to people who have shown the ability and will to attack at any time for whatever reason they deem necessary. How can we continue to trust a mindset that has shown time and again their intention to destroy what we have? I see CAIR always trying to show how we in America discriminate against Muslims, and that only a few of them act like this. Even if CAIR is correct, and I disagree with them, it takes only a few to cause massive damage as seen in NYC on 9-11, and even now in this incident. We saw a Muslim soldier throw a grenade into a tent in Iraq because he was trying to protect Muslims. His oath to America to protect this nation and fight for its ideals was a lie. His loyalty to Islam was much stronger than his loyalty to the nation he lived in and fought for. And so it is with most Muslims, if not all in my thinking. I would dare say that all Muslims would eventually turn on those around them if the circumstances were right. And even if I am wrong, how can we tell the difference? Even the Muslims who decry some of these acts cannot tell who is who. They worship with them, pray with them, eat with them, and claim they have no clue as to who these people are. Yet when we begin looking closer, they cry discrimination and profiling.

Islam has an agenda, whether the government and media ignore that fact. They desire the extermination of the Jews, and the rest of the world after that. They think Islam is truly the last message of their god to all humanity, even if it condones lying and murder to further the cause. Even the Nazis wore uniforms and identified themselves to the world when they set out for conquest. But Muslims assimilate into society and no one knows if or when they will attack. But their goal is conquest, no doubt about that. It is not simply another religion trying to proselyte. It is an evil that intends to conquer at all costs, with no conscience as to how and who they kill to obtain it.

Though many may not subscribe to this consciously, I believe the Muslim Trigger can be tripped at anytime for almost any reason. They send their own children into crowded places with bombs strapped to them, showing the world that not even their own flesh and blood are above the goals of Mohammed. They are soaked with ideas of Paradise that allow them sexual excesses not allowed here on Earth. And I have always wondered, how can Allah despise sex here, but surround himself with it in Paradise ? But Muslims believe this to the point they will send their own to murder and rejoice after the evil is done.

Currently it is not PC to profile Muslims. Europe and North America have once again extended their hand to these Mohammedans and the media extols the virtues of Islam while intentionally ignoring the global violence perpetrated by these same people. And I begin to fear for my nation and my culture. History has always shown that when governments fail, people take matters into their own hands. And we have been a patient nation in this respect. But I have to wonder, with all of the militias, and armed citizens, how much longer this patience will last until ordinary people begin to mimic the actions of Muslims worldwide here on our own soil, and turn the tables.

And Muslims need to know this, that to us Islam is a cult, a religion, and a culture alien to our own. Islam is not compatible with the freedoms and regard for life that is evident to the West.

If the wolves in your flock are not weeded out, the Infidels may do your gardening for you.

[BartSimpson]

Avro Avro:

More hate from our resident hater.

More from our rezident.

[bootlegga]

Sorry Bart, that article sounds more like Invasion of the Body Snatchers to me...

[Johnny_Utah]

The whole situation sounds like an Act of Terrorism.

[Scape]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Avro Avro:

More hate from our resident hater.

More from our rezident.

You two get a room already!

[canucker]

Good post. I don't see anything wrong with it. Did you write it?

[Ruxpercnd]

I try to be pretty open minded... however....

there is a islamic Q&A site http://www.askimam.com If you read some of this stuff... you can understand how muslims are very archaic and treat everyone like cockroaches.

Pretty scary stuff.... like nazism. They remind me very much like Nazis.

Like I said.. try to be open minded, but these people are closed minded and would kill you for Allah on a whim.

They simply cannot be trusted. Go to the site... read it and weep, no humanity there.

[hwacker]

I think some on this site (AVRO) need to take a flight (one way) to the middle east for a little (as much as you can fit into 3 cells) learning session.

[canucker]

Ruxpercnd Ruxpercnd:

I try to be pretty open minded... however....

there is a islamic Q&A site http://www.askimam.com If you read some of this stuff... you can understand how muslims are very archaic and treat everyone like cockroaches.

Pretty scary stuff.... like nazism. They remind me very much like Nazis.

Like I said.. try to be open minded, but these people are closed minded and would kill you for Allah on a whim.

They simply cannot be trusted. Go to the site... read it and weep, no humanity there.

The radical muslim people are brainwashed. I know some very nice muslims, but these radical terrorists are freakin nuts. Using western technology against the west. Killing whomever, in the name of Allah, and brutally at that. Insane.

[Johnny_Utah]

canucker canucker:

Ruxpercnd Ruxpercnd:

I try to be pretty open minded... however....

there is a islamic Q&A site http://www.askimam.com If you read some of this stuff... you can understand how muslims are very archaic and treat everyone like cockroaches.

Pretty scary stuff.... like nazism. They remind me very much like Nazis.

Like I said.. try to be open minded, but these people are closed minded and would kill you for Allah on a whim.

They simply cannot be trusted. Go to the site... read it and weep, no humanity there.

The radical muslim people are brainwashed. I know some very nice muslims, but these radical terrorists are freakin nuts. Using western technology against the west. Killing whomever, in the name of Allah, and brutally at that. Insane.

The radical muslims who did 9/11 the Bali bombing Madrid, London are Muslims who can't be reasoned with. The non radical muslims can be reasoned with.

[Panzerknacker]

Johnny_Utah Johnny_Utah:

canucker canucker:

Ruxpercnd Ruxpercnd:

I try to be pretty open minded... however....

there is a islamic Q&A site http://www.askimam.com If you read some of this stuff... you can understand how muslims are very archaic and treat everyone like cockroaches.

Pretty scary stuff.... like nazism. They remind me very much like Nazis.

Like I said.. try to be open minded, but these people are closed minded and would kill you for Allah on a whim.

They simply cannot be trusted. Go to the site... read it and weep, no humanity there.

The radical muslim people are brainwashed. I know some very nice muslims, but these radical terrorists are freakin nuts. Using western technology against the west. Killing whomever, in the name of Allah, and brutally at that. Insane.

The radical muslims who did 9/11 the Bali bombing Madrid, London are Muslims who can't be reasoned with. The non radical muslims can be reasoned with.

I have to disagree, even non radical muslims(not all) can not really be reasoned with. A huge portion of the moderate muslims in Holland would like to see the sharia instead of Dutch law and show understanding for 9/11 and the murder of a well known Dutch director. You critizise Islam, then expect to die young! Islam can't be mixed with democracy and I have a strong feeling our freedom is being used against us.

In Amsterdam soon the biggest mosque in Europe will be erected. One only needs to remove a few houses and a world war 2 shrine(2 resistance members were shot there) and we're good to go. With 1.5 million muslims on 16 million total, things are bound to go wrong.(1.5 million muslims entered and were born in Holland in the last 40 years)

By the year 2015 native Dutch people will be a minority in most Large cities. Holland is a prime example that the multi-cultural society does not work.

[Ruxpercnd]

I have to be honest... in the distant past I have had several muslim friends, one an Iranian (during the Shah regime) and one a Turk.

The Iranian was a study partner in college, he had served in the Iranian air force. When I had asked him about the Shah's problems, he just about turned white, and, in a lowered voice, made it clear he couldn't ever discuss politics. That was a lesson.

My Turk friend, Ali, had a graduate degree, doing manual labor for a company we worked for. I tried to encourage him into some other opportunities. I have to say, he was absolutely the nicest guy in the world and I would have totally trusted him.

So, I don't know what is going on now. I don't like communist or nazis, or any kind of supremisists. What I hear from the islamic religious authorities now is absolutely chilling and I won't even begin to find it accepting. These people don't really answer to anyone. I guess the mosques in my town have an open door policy, so they aren't going to fling any of that bullshit here.

Here is an example of some of the bullshit going around... and what I consider a somewhat obscure answer to this guy's question:

$1:

Question 6184 from Germany

recently I've been talkin' to ‘jihadis’, who say if Islam brings me peace, I have chosen the wrong religion, they say blood of kafir is halal, it is permissible to kill any nonmuslim

Please could you help me, I am on the verge of losing my iman. I am a recent convert to islam, I converted to islam because of the peace, as well as being convinced its the truth. Very recently I have been talking to come ‘jihadis’, who say if Islam brings me peace, I have chosen the wrong religion, they tell me the blood of every kafir is halal, and that it is permissible to kill any non muslim whether they are oppressing you or not. For example, they say it would be permissible to go to somewhere like Bolivia, and kill all the local inhabitants for the sin of not being non-muslim. I have also been told that rape during jihad is permissible. Please save my imaan. They also tell me if I feel sorry for any kafir, I am a munafiq, and I am one of them. Please save my imaan. I work with several Americans, how should my relationship be with them? According to these guys, I should kill them, just for the sin of holding an American passport. Look forward to hearing from you shortly. Jazakallah khair.

Answer 6184 2002-07-18

Kindly refer below our standard reply to a similar query.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai
FATWA DEPT.

The statement, 'promoted killing of non-Muslims' is vague and sweeping and
is very much open to misinterpretation. Yes, Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi
Wasallam) promoted the killing of these non-Muslims who are actively engaged
in destroying Islam and the Muslims. This is the command of Allah Ta'ala
Himself in the Qur'aan. This type of killing is not simply permissible, but
commendable and worthy of reward. This does not mean that Islam teaches to
kill all non-Muslims.

If, for example, a Muslim intentionally kills a non-Muslim citizen of the
Islamic state, then in retribution the Muslim's life will be taken. This
indicates that even the life of a non-Muslim is sanctified, if he does not
oppose Islam and the Muslims.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Moulana Imraan Vawda
FATWA DEPT.

CHECKED AND APPROVED CORRECT: Mufti Ebrahim Desai

Basically what they are saying is that it is ok to kill anyone who opposes islam, although I don't think this imam is pushing it. But you can see how islamic psychos can twist something to what they want it to mean. Can you imagine what would happen if the Pope or some other christian authority declared that it would be proper to kill anyone who wasn't christian or opposed christianity? ... or to even come close to suggesting it? The imams need to create more modern interpretations. Christians don't refer to the old testiment stories where God told someone to kill every living thing in Caanan to clear the way for a new religion, for modern guidance.

The world is getting too small for different ethic systems regarding who shall live and who shall die. There really is only room for one system of right and wrong, and we better figure it out soon.

These guys have advised that the Palistine situation and Cheknya are valid jihads. The Cheknya one is interesting ... they say it is valid to hold a jihad for the purpose of creating an islamic state. That is a real dangerous interpretation.

My personal feeling is that these guys need to get their asses kicked real hard to give them a new sense of reality. I think most people in the world today are demanding universal peace regardless of religion.

I find it curious that people have to fight to 'defend' Allah or God... can't the Supreme Being defend herself?

[ShepherdsDog]

$1:

With Islam it is not so easy, due to the organized way they try to show the world they are peaceful and desire to live in peace with all men. They are taught from Mohammed himself to lie if need be in order to create a false sense of security before they kill or subdue innocent targets.

Then Capt. Greene comes along and reinforces Bart's point.

$1:

CBC NEWS

Last Saturday, the soldier was attacked with an axe to the head after he sat down for a meeting with village elders about 60 kilometres north of Kandahar. Greene and another officer had removed their helmets and set down their arms as a gesture of trust.

I get tired of hearing 'We have to show tolerance and respect for Islamic society' every time they commit another barbaric act. Some of these so called open minded individuals have allowed their brains to fall out. The West condemned the Christian Serbs for their inhumane treatment of the Albanian Kosovars and Bosnian Muslims. Russia is berated for their treatment of Chechyn terrorists where is the loud and public condemnation from moderate Muslims when their co religionists engage in barbarism?

[Johnny_Utah]

Panzerknacker Panzerknacker:

Johnny_Utah Johnny_Utah:

canucker canucker:

Ruxpercnd Ruxpercnd:

I try to be pretty open minded... however....

there is a islamic Q&A site http://www.askimam.com If you read some of this stuff... you can understand how muslims are very archaic and treat everyone like cockroaches.

Pretty scary stuff.... like nazism. They remind me very much like Nazis.

Like I said.. try to be open minded, but these people are closed minded and would kill you for Allah on a whim.

They simply cannot be trusted. Go to the site... read it and weep, no humanity there.

The radical muslim people are brainwashed. I know some very nice muslims, but these radical terrorists are freakin nuts. Using western technology against the west. Killing whomever, in the name of Allah, and brutally at that. Insane.

The radical muslims who did 9/11 the Bali bombing Madrid, London are Muslims who can't be reasoned with. The non radical muslims can be reasoned with.

I have to disagree, even non radical muslims(not all) can not really be reasoned with. A huge portion of the moderate muslims in Holland would like to see the sharia instead of Dutch law and show understanding for 9/11 and the murder of a well known Dutch director. You critizise Islam, then expect to die young! Islam can't be mixed with democracy and I have a strong feeling our freedom is being used against us.

In Amsterdam soon the biggest mosque in Europe will be erected. One only needs to remove a few houses and a world war 2 shrine(2 resistance members were shot there) and we're good to go. With 1.5 million muslims on 16 million total, things are bound to go wrong.(1.5 million muslims entered and were born in Holland in the last 40 years)

By the year 2015 native Dutch people will be a minority in most Large cities. Holland is a prime example that the multi-cultural society does not work.

I see your point and it's a good one. I was just making an observation on the few muslims I have known throughout the years who I found to be non-radical and easy to reason with.

Europe is becoming a hotbed for radical muslims the terrorist attacks throughout the years have clearly shown that, the riots in France really showed that then theres the riots after the Dutch cartoons. The muslims who can be reasoned with in Europe the Middle East they don't speak up for fear of their lives.