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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:16 pm
$1: Denying people the right to marry multiple partners, which not does not exist anywhere
Yet historically used to which is an argument used by same sex marriage groups. Along with the fact that at some point about in the mid 50's as far as I can ascertain same sex marriage did not exist anywhere. $1: is not the same as denying gay people the same marriage rights that are currently available to everyone else.
Please explain how it is not. Seeing as how you are willing to deny it to them thus ensuring that it is not AVAILABLE to everyone else. $1: And besides polygamy is truly a "lifestyle choice" whereas being gay is not.
Not sure what your point is considering we are talking about marriage which is a "lifestyle choice". Being gay is not the issue here but being allowed to be married is. Same sex marriage is a "lifestyle choice"
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:23 pm
Thanos Thanos: There's nothing sexy about polygamists. The vast, vast majority of them are fundamentalist religious cranks that force-marry underage girls and then subject them to horrific sexual and psychological abuse. There's nothing funny with this issue, and it's a complete bogus red herring to even contemplate comparing them to two consenting adult homosexuals who want to get married. Yet here in this case it is 3 consenting adults. What exactly are your objections to these 3 people getting married. Your use of the sick side and use of polygamy by a minority of polygamists is no better then what was said about homosexual being pedophiles.
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:53 pm
Thanos Thanos: There's nothing sexy about polygamists. The vast, vast majority of them are fundamentalist religious cranks... So because they live a lifestyle you don't approve of you feel it's okay to deny them their Constitutional right to the dignity of marriage?
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 2:26 pm
raydan raydan: BartSimpson BartSimpson: So because they live a lifestyle you don't approve of you feel it's okay to deny them their Constitutional right to the dignity of marriage? Right back at you, big guy!  I was paraphrasing the opinion of Justice Kennedy. Bottom line is the cat is our of the bag and that the arguments for ending the definition of marriage as we've known it since the dawn of civilization have been accepted. After this it's anything goes.
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 3:22 pm
raydan raydan: Live and let live, that's how I roll... so I don't really care.  ...as long as it's consenting adults, of course. We'll see how this all turns out, won't we?
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 3:34 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson: Bottom line is the cat is our of the bag and that the arguments for ending the definition of marriage as we've known it since the dawn of civilization have been accepted.
Pst, same sex unions of some kind have been around since ancient rome, if not before.
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 4:02 pm
Tricks Tricks: BartSimpson BartSimpson: Bottom line is the cat is our of the bag and that the arguments for ending the definition of marriage as we've known it since the dawn of civilization have been accepted.
Pst, same sex unions of some kind have been around since ancient rome, if not before. But up until fifteen years ago no one, and I mean no one ever called it 'marriage'.
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 4:06 pm
Thanos Thanos: There's nothing sexy about polygamists. The vast, vast majority of them are fundamentalist religious cranks that force-marry underage girls and then subject them to horrific sexual and psychological abuse. There's nothing funny with this issue, and it's a complete bogus red herring to even contemplate comparing them to two consenting adult homosexuals who want to get married. And you are very right about this! However, my remarks were in reference to consenting adults, and by consenting I mean something other than religious quackery.
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 4:17 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson: Tricks Tricks: BartSimpson BartSimpson: Bottom line is the cat is our of the bag and that the arguments for ending the definition of marriage as we've known it since the dawn of civilization have been accepted.
Pst, same sex unions of some kind have been around since ancient rome, if not before. But up until fifteen years ago no one, and I mean no one ever called it 'marriage'. Marriage is a Christian construct. These existed before Christianity.
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andyt
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 4:56 pm
Tricks Tricks: Marriage is a Christian construct. These existed before Christianity. While I agree with a lot of what you've written here, I wonder where you got this idea from? Hindus didn't marry before Christians taught them how? You ever seen what Indians, both Hindu and Sikh get up to during a marriage? Pretty big splash. Buddhists also seem to be into it = it seems to be more or less a universal institution. Basically centered around having children, it was a way to assure the woman would be taken care of with her children. The guy was assured of sex and a housekeeper for his part of the deal. I think where the opening for gays came was giving benefits to married people without children - how is that fair, but not for gays?
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:02 pm
As well, should be mentioned that polygamy was called marriage even in Bart's favourite book.
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:44 pm
andyt andyt: Tricks Tricks: Marriage is a Christian construct. These existed before Christianity. While I agree with a lot of what you've written here, I wonder where you got this idea from? Hindus didn't marry before Christians taught them how? You ever seen what Indians, both Hindu and Sikh get up to during a marriage? Pretty big splash. Buddhists also seem to be into it = it seems to be more or less a universal institution. Basically centered around having children, it was a way to assure the woman would be taken care of with her children. The guy was assured of sex and a housekeeper for his part of the deal. Where did I get what idea? That marriage (under another name) was around before Christianity or that Marriage (under that name) was a Christian construct?
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andyt
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:49 pm
That marriage is a Christian construct? As I pointed out, it's practiced all over the world and was before Christianity. Not sure what you mean by another name, marriage isn't called marriage in non-English speaking, but still Christian, countries, either.
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:56 pm
andyt andyt: That marriage is a Christian construct? As I pointed out, it's practiced all over the world and was before Christianity. Not sure what you mean by another name, marriage isn't called marriage in non-English speaking, but still Christian, countries, either. I mean marriage in it's current western iteration. It definitely existed before, but wasn't called as such. Hence why I said it existed before Christianity.
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