[Clogeroo]

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again, not what i meant.

Our parents changed our diapers when we were young, just as we will change their diapers when they are old.
The country gave money to the province when it is in need, the province should give money to the country when the country is in need.

If the west separates, i don't think we would be any more willing to hand over cash than we already are.

Well I don't pay rent to my parents because I don't live with them anymore. So no I'm going to keep sending Canada money because they may need it. I don't think they will they are not a third world country and foreign aid wouldn't be needed. I'm not going to pay for services we take control of to another country just for the sake of it.

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Logisical system here, who would dominate the west? BC is bigger than Alberta, but Alberta wants independence the most. Does this mean Alberta will be once again bitching when it doesn't get its way the same way it does with Ontario? How would the system be setup?

Well drawing up a constitution is quite a bit of work and ultimately everyone would have to decide upon it. I would like it to be a confederation.

A confederation is an association of sovereign states or communities, usually created by treaty but often later adopting a common constitution. Confederations tend to be established for dealing with critical issues, such as defence, foreign affairs, foreign trade, and a common currency, with the central government being required to provide support for all members.

Other than that most things the provinces would have control of. As for the government I would like it to be based off the Westminster model and similar to what Australia presently has. Proportional representation, equal elected senate, and having ridings where we would elect people to go sit for us as members of parliament. You could say wouldn’t it be easier to just do this all within Canada? Perhaps but I just don't see it happening for trying to get all the provinces to agree one formula would be a difficult task and might just be easier forming our own country to better ourselves. If Canada did actually properly confederate itself like I wish to have then maybe I would reconsider independence but even so it would remain an attractive option.

[SJ-24]

Clogeroo ; What do we do with the socialist in BC? Can we just line them up and shoot them, or do we have to give them a bus ticket to Ontario and let that new country deal with these loser? I think shooting them is a much easier way of handling them; less paperwork! Besides, our new military will require some training.

All this fantasy typing has been interesting, but the fact is, if Dion gets in as a leader, he has to kiss Western ass, or be known as the PM that broke up Canada. Chances are he will be like Chretien and Martin, he'll only come out to collect fundraising monies and give pre election lies. For that he will be rewarded with the new country of Quebec. Now isn't that nice.

[SJ-24]

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January 22, 2007

Harper rebukes Segolene Royal for comments on Quebec sovereignty

By MICHEL DOLBEC

PARIS (CP) - Prime Minister Stephen Harper harkened back to one of the stormiest chapters of Canada-France relations to remind the woman who could be the next French president to butt out of Canada's national unity debate.

Segolene Royal, who's been nominated to lead France's Socialist Party in the next election, evoked echoes of Charles de Gaulle's exhortation of "Vivre le Quebec libre" in 1967. Asked for her thoughts about Quebec's future after a short meeting with Parti Quebecois Leader Andre Boisclair in Paris on Monday, Royal said the province and France have common values, including "sovereignty and Quebec's freedom."

That triggered a swift and pointed response from Harper to Royal, who has never visited Quebec.

"Experience teaches that it is highly inappropriate for a foreign leader to interfere in the democratic affairs of another country," he said in a statement from Ottawa.

"We look forward to marking the 400th anniversary of the founding of Canada at Quebec City with the next president of France.

"We expect in turn that the next president will display an understanding of our shared history, and the respect for Canada and Canadians that such an important partnership requires."

Then French president Charles de Gaulle caused a diplomatic storm in 1967 when he ended a speech from the balcony of Montreal city hall with "Vive le Quebec libre (Long live free Quebec)" as the province grabbled with the budding sovereigntist movement.

After a sharp rebuke from then prime minster Lester Pearson, de Gaulle left Canada early.

Speaking in Montreal Monday, Charest said he invited Royal to Quebec after she became head of the French Socialists but that she turned him down.

"And furthermore, what I also know is that the future of Quebec will be decided by Quebecers, no one else."

Federal Liberal Leader Stephane Dion, who was visiting Quebec City, said Royal's comments hurt her credibility.

"She does not understand," he said. "You do not interfere in the affairs of a friendly country, you do not wish for the dismantling of a friendly country. Canada does not wish for the dismantling of France and France certainly does not wish for the dismantling of Canada."

Boisclair said Royal's comments show she's sympathetic to sovereignty and understands his message.

"I think Quebecers will interpret Mrs. Royal's remarks for themselves," he said. "It would be improper of me to do so but what people have seen is that France, in all circumstances, will be at Quebec's side."

[camerontech]

I think Mrs. Royal should go fuck herself.

[Clogeroo]

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Clogeroo ; What do we do with the socialist in BC? Can we just line them up and shoot them, or do we have to give them a bus ticket to Ontario and let that new country deal with these loser? I think shooting them is a much easier way of handling them; less paperwork! Besides, our new military will require some training. Laughing

All this fantasy typing has been interesting, but the fact is, if Dion gets in as a leader, he has to kiss Western ass, or be known as the PM that broke up Canada. Chances are he will be like Chretien and Martin, he'll only come out to collect fundraising monies and give pre election lies. Rolling Eyes For that he will be rewarded with the new country of Quebec. Now isn't that nice.

Well the socialists here who knows what they will do. It wouldn't surprise me if some packed up to Ontario or went somewhere else but that can be said for a lot of people. Many also might find themselves moving to our new country. I think Alberta might become more liberal by being in a western confederation though. We won't have Ottawa to look at anymore or to attack which means the Alberta vs. Ottawa thing would be over unless they want it to be Alberta vs. other western provinces but in a confederation with a small government it is unlikely. So you may find more of a rise against the conservative status quo in Alberta. Who knows what the political and social atmosphere will be like after becoming our own country. For everything will change after that. But as it would be a new fresh government the optimism towards are political system and faith in it might be restored.

As for Dion more the reason to become our own country.

[camerontech]

Clogeroo Clogeroo:

We won't have Ottawa to look at anymore or to attack which means the Alberta vs. Ottawa thing would be over unless they want it to be Alberta vs. other western provinces but in a confederation with a small government it is unlikely.

HA, please. if you guys can bitch about how bad it is in Canada there will be people who will bitch about how bad your western federation will be.
There will be a separatist movement in Alberta because they're paying for too much stuff in BC. There'll be separatist in BC who think Alberta is too conservative. Alberta vs Ottawa might not exist anymore, but Calgary vs Vancouver might. not too mention saskatchewan and manitoba....if they would even join your union.

[USCAdad]

It would depend on how much the Fed was required to do. Border protection and rough international trade only? There might not be that much to bitch about.

I'd prefer complete independence for BC with agreements for mutual protection between Provinces. More like NATO than the UN. If you tried to get the gov. to do everything present govs. try to do, you'd be right.... the same mess would occur

[Clogeroo]

Of course people will still probably be upset even though they may have better lives because of it. But at least we would have considerable freedom.

[ReliableIntelligence]

We dont have freedom now?

[camerontech]

ReliableIntelligence ReliableIntelligence:

We dont have freedom now?

my thoughts exactly

[USCAdad]

Does BC get to collect revenues on it's most lucrative industry?

[Zipperfish]

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[Clogeroo]

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We dont have freedom now?

I mean more freedom.

[Zipperfish]

Clogeroo Clogeroo:

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We dont have freedom now?

I mean more freedom.

What freedoms in particular?

[Clogeroo]

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What freedoms in particular?

Self determination.