[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

Where did he say hobbyists don't need guns?

You need reading glasses there Andy.

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

... and the Mounties should have their Glocks. Hobbyists don't need them. So, how would pointing out what are acceptable Canadian standards make me an "anti gun nut"?

andyt andyt:

I don't think civilians need handguns or semi-automatic weapons. But hell, even our current laws that allow those are pretty decent. Most of our problem, ie criminal weapons come from south of the border. Still be better if they weren't available to be stolen here.

And around we go.

[andyt]

He said glocks, you said guns. I would have thought a gun enthusiast like yourself would understand the distinction? Do you think hobbyists need glocks. Why?

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

He said glocks, you said guns. I would have thought a gun enthusiast like yourself would understand the distinction? Do you think hobbyists need glocks. Why?

Target shooting. It's not just for rifles, people also target shoot with guns. Sometimes even with Glocks.

Why do you think I'm a gun enthusiast? I've never given any indication of this.

[Jabberwalker]

Hobbyists are certainly welcome to have appropriate firearms ... for target shooting, for instance. Why does a hobbyist need a Glock semi automatic 9mm pistol that has one design criterion: to kill or disable humans (specifically) at close range. If you want to try bear hunting with a Glock, well give it a whirl. There is a special place in Valhalla with your name on it.

[Jabberwalker]

So, how can you reconcile that it's a good idea that your daughter learns to shoot; but hobbyists don't need guns?

Why do hobbyists need access to every type of gun?

[andyt]

Ok, then you're an enthusiastic defender of gun ownership of all types.

You sure are twisting and turning today - doesn't become you. He said target shooters don't need glocks, you twist that into guns. He says they don't need glocks to shoot at targets, you don't say why you think they do need them, just that they do it now. Why do they need semi-auto handguns to shoot at targets, which is what I take him to mean by glocks?

As for protecting yourself from a charging grizzly with a .357 magnum, you must be one dead eye dick and a lot braver man than me. That would take some mighty fine shooting with a very steady hand.

[Jabberwalker]

Ok, then you're an enthusiastic defender of gun ownership of all types.


Boy, you really do have comprehension problems, some days.

[DrCaleb]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

So, how can you reconcile that it's a good idea that your daughter learns to shoot; but hobbyists don't need guns?

Why do hobbyists need access to every type of gun?

I never said they did. I asked how is your daughter (or anyone's child) going to learn to shoot if they have no access to guns? Will they have to move to the country and become farmers? Will they have to get their hunting licenses and then learn how to shoot by practising on those poor animals? Will they just show up at the Olympics and have to wing it like the Jamaican Bobsled team or Eddie the Eagle?

[andyt]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

Ok, then you're an enthusiastic defender of gun ownership of all types.


Boy, you really do have comprehension problems, some days.

Nope, it's that you don't comprehend that I was replying to Dr Caleb - should be obvious from my post.

[andyt]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

So, how can you reconcile that it's a good idea that your daughter learns to shoot; but hobbyists don't need guns?

Why do hobbyists need access to every type of gun?

I never said they did. I asked how is your daughter (or anyone's child) going to learn to shoot if they have no access to guns? Will they have to move to the country and become farmers? Will they have to get their hunting licenses and then learn how to shoot by practising on those poor animals? Will they just show up at the Olympics and have to wing it like the Jamaican Bobsled team or Eddie the Eagle?

Christ, what's wrong with you today? You're going to play the black and white game like the other numbnuts here like to do. No where did he say target shooters would not have access to guns, just not access to any and all types of guns. I sure hope those target shooters with glocks that you're defending aren't thinking they're now qualified to go out and hunt.

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

Ok, then you're an enthusiastic defender of gun ownership of all types.

I am a defender of my right to keep owing the things I have legally acquired from arbitrarily being seized because of unfounded paranoia. Whether that's my home, my car or any firearms I might have.

I was also a staunch opponent of the knee jerk gun registry that wasted 2 billion dollars that made no one safer, but could have if the money was spent on border security and mental health. Fix the actual problems, not the symptoms. The same with this nutjob in Moncton. We don't know the cause, but guns aren't the problem.

andyt andyt:

You sure are twisting and turning today - doesn't become you. He said target shooters don't need glocks, you twist that into guns. He says they don't need glocks to shoot at targets, you don't say why you think they do need them, just that they do it now. Why do they need semi-auto handguns to shoot at targets, which is what I take him to mean by glocks?

Target shooting includes handguns, which also includes Glocks. Handguns are not 'semi-auto'. They are single or double action. Target shooting can be accomplished with a revolver, just as easily as with a Colt 1911.

andyt andyt:

As for protecting yourself from a charging grizzly with a .357 magnum, you must be one dead eye dick and a lot braver man than me. That would take some mighty fine shooting with a very steady hand.

As I've said before, I hunt. When I hunt, I usually bow hunt. Even I'm not ballsy enough to bowhunt bears, but when I venture into the bush I usually have a sidearm in case I meet one. And it's never a double action gun, it's usually a lever action 30-30 or .44 revolver.

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

So, how can you reconcile that it's a good idea that your daughter learns to shoot; but hobbyists don't need guns?

Why do hobbyists need access to every type of gun?

I never said they did. I asked how is your daughter (or anyone's child) going to learn to shoot if they have no access to guns? Will they have to move to the country and become farmers? Will they have to get their hunting licenses and then learn how to shoot by practising on those poor animals? Will they just show up at the Olympics and have to wing it like the Jamaican Bobsled team or Eddie the Eagle?

Christ, what's wrong with you today? You're going to play the black and white game like the other numbnuts here like to do.

You can dish it, but you can't take it?

andyt andyt:

No where did he say target shooters would not have access to guns, just not access to any and all types of guns. I sure hope those target shooters with glocks that you're defending aren't thinking they're now qualified to go out and hunt.

By excluding 'Glocks' from the inventory of things people can own or use, there would have to be a ban on a whole class of handgun, not just 'Glocks'. He excluded them all.

[andyt]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Target shooting includes handguns, which also includes Glocks. Handguns are not 'semi-auto'. They are single or double action. Target shooting can be accomplished with a revolver, just as easily as with a Colt 1911.

I believe that was Jabber's point, that you've just made for him. Personally I don't see the great loss to people if they can't fire at targets with handguns of any type.

[andyt]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

By excluding 'Glocks' from the inventory of things people can own or use, there would have to be a ban on a whole class of handgun, not just 'Glocks'. He excluded them all.

I believe this is what he wants to exclude:

$1:

A semi-automatic pistol is a type of handgun which uses a single chamber and barrel, with a mechanism powered by the previous shot to load a fresh cartridge into the chamber. One round is fired each time the trigger of a semi-automatic pistol is pulled.

[andyt]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

andyt andyt:

Christ, what's wrong with you today? You're going to play the black and white game like the other numbnuts here like to do.

You can dish it, but you can't take it?

Oh, well, at least you've owned up to it, that's a start.

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

andyt andyt:

No where did he say target shooters would not have access to guns, just not access to any and all types of guns. I sure hope those target shooters with glocks that you're defending aren't thinking they're now qualified to go out and hunt.

By excluding 'Glocks' from the inventory of things people can own or use, there would have to be a ban on a whole class of handgun, not just 'Glocks'. He excluded them all.

I see you've now turned from accusing him of wanting to ban "guns" (as in all guns) to a particular class of handgun. I'm sure he did mean to exclude the class of handguns that Glocks fall into, doesn't just have a hate on for Glock Ges.m.b.H. in particular. Why must the ability of target shooters to use this particular class of handguns be preserved?