[Vamp018]

Intentions to enter Canada whether or not, he crossed into Canada and thus is subject to Canadian Law, not US Law or Jurisdiction. It is up to your Nation to handle and for this man's fellow citizens to respect the rule of law when visiting any Nation. I have far more serious Border Security Issue's daily down here with Mexico. Most US Citizens know by mind and heart that you don't enter or go near Canada with a Weapon, unless you are permitted under Canadian Law and the RCMP. On a hole most Canadian's I run into in Texas see it the same way. They visit the US and some live here as Snowbirds, but they follow our Laws with very few complaints.

[Guy_Fawkes]

Xort Xort:

Vamp018 Vamp018:

Apply the law depends on where he got nailed. In this matter the Canadian Side and thus zero tolerance on smuggling weapon. He broke Canadian Law and he is on Canadian Land thenceforth a tourist and subject to all laws of Canada as a guest. If Canada charges him and toss's his rear in there Prison so be. It is Canada's right and sovereignty to enforce just as it is when your reverse the situation in theory.

He didn't want to enter Canada, and just wanted to get turned around and go on his vacation.

If our legal system doesn't act in a respectable way, people won't respect our laws or the system. Just another pebble on the hillside.

It doesnt matter that he says he didnt want to enter Canada!

If a guy makes a wrong turn down a street, and while looking down at his GPS runs over Grandma, should he be given a pass because he didnt want to be there?

When an asshat plows into the High Level Bridge, should he also be given a pass because he didnt want to be there?

Being stupid is not an excuse!

Since when is it a waste of time, stopping illegal guns from entering Canada!

[Xort]

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

If a guy makes a wrong turn down a street, and while looking down at his GPS runs over Grandma, should he be given a pass because he didnt want to be there?

Not even slightly similar. But nice try.

A better example would be someone that got in line for something and got to the front of the line and realized it wasn't the line for what he thought it was. Then trying to leave and getting arrested for not being able to pass, and wanting to leave.

In this case what this guy could have done, is saw that he was on a one way bridge to the border, put his car in park, and then waited for the police to come see why he was blocking the road. He then tells them he doesn't have a passport but can't turn around. Gets a traffic ticket and pisses off likely thousands of people.

Or maybe he thinks hey I can't get off I'll just head there and ask to turn around. I don't even have a passport so it's not like they could let me in anyway.

But borders are no longer operated by reasonable people. So now the Canadian tax payer is on the hook for a trial and possible jail time, for something that's clearly just a guy stuck on the wrong road who never wanted to enter the nation.

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When an asshat plows into the High Level Bridge, should he also be given a pass because he didnt want to be there?

If he is trying to back up to the turn off, yeah. That's why this guy tried to do, he tried to back up the hill and get to the turn off so to speak. For a trucker that hit the bridge it would be more like, if he got to the border then tried to bluff his way across, without his passports and his GPS showing him going somewhere not in Canada.

FYI the HLB approach is a terrible road and the notice while seemingly sufficient is kinda easy to miss, and more so while in heavy city traffic while in a large vehicle.

Some people here have said that this guy's action was fishy, implying that this story wasn't someone stuck on the wrong road. Implying that he must be up to something, trying to cross without his passport, and asking the guard if he can turn around as part of that sneak plan.

$1:

Being stupid is not an excuse!

He wanted to turn around, and didn't want to enter Canada. Being stupid would be, "Well I'm here now, without my passport, no plans for doing anything here and my reservation at that hotel... may as well tour Canada."

$1:

Since when is it a waste of time, stopping illegal guns from entering Canada!

Illegal guns that could have just turned around and gone back to the US.
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Lets pretend he never had a pistol.

The guards still took him out of his vehicle and questioned him while they searched his car. Why did our guards do this? He said he wanted to turn around. Why didn't they turn him around on request?

Justify their holding someone that didn't have a passport and didn't want to enter the nation, and has proof of a prior engagement in the form of a reservation and a GPS showing the incorrect route taking him to the border.
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Even better if he did remember about the pistol, he still would be in legal trouble for not having the pistol's paperwork and the forms to import and transport it.

[Guy_Fawkes]

Xort Xort:

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Lets pretend he never had a pistol.

The guards still took him out of his vehicle and questioned him while they searched his car. Why did our guards do this? He said he wanted to turn around. Why didn't they turn him around on request?

Justify their holding someone that didn't have a passport and didn't want to enter the nation, and has proof of a prior engagement in the form of a reservation and a GPS showing the incorrect route taking him to the border.
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Even better if he did remember about the pistol, he still would be in legal trouble for not having the pistol's paperwork and the forms to import and transport it.

They were suspicious, someone who missed all the signs and didn't have a passport showed up at the border. Maybe he was giving off other signals, maybe he looked nervous, who knows. It is more than reasonable for them to search the vehicle.

No, he would not have been in trouble because he had a concealment permit. If he would have declared it, the most the border guards could have done is confiscate it then send him on his way.

You have this assumption that what this guy did wasn't a big deal, when it is a very serious issue.

Also with the high level bridge scenario, backing up while on a main thoroughfare is against the law. If you do not pay attention to the road, and forget you have deadly weapons in your vehicle you are going to have a bad time and could likely wind up in jail.

[DrCaleb]

Xort Xort:

Explain how trucks can get stuck on the High Level Bridge, one sign has flashing lights, one has one of those height bars you can hit. Yet it happens many times a year.

Clearly none of those truckers could have been surprised when they got stuck. They must have wanted to ruin their whole day, and damage their trucks.

It has nothing to do with the truck's height, it has to do with the length - and you know it! The bridge will accommodate a 30' truck and trailer at maximum height, but because the road has left turn and a steep uphill immediately after the bridge ends on the south side a 53' trailer will get stuck!

[bootlegga]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Xort Xort:

Explain how trucks can get stuck on the High Level Bridge, one sign has flashing lights, one has one of those height bars you can hit. Yet it happens many times a year.

Clearly none of those truckers could have been surprised when they got stuck. They must have wanted to ruin their whole day, and damage their trucks.

It has nothing to do with the truck's height, it has to do with the length - and you know it! The bridge will accommodate a 30' truck and trailer at maximum height, but because the road has left turn and a steep uphill immediately after the bridge ends on the south side a 53' trailer will get stuck!

You sure about that DrC?

I've seen a couple semis stuck there in the past and from what I remember, it was because their trailer was too tall for the bridge.



I tried to find something on official restrictions, but couldn't find anything.

[BeaverFever]

Border guards don't buy the "wrong turn" excuse ever....I think they hear it all day and it means nothing to them...in fact I think they think it's probably more likely you're a smuggler who just realized his shit isn't stashed properly.

My girlfriend and I were driving out west one time and she made a wrong turn at Thurnder Bay onto a one-way road leading to the US border, we doubled back first turn-around we came to but it brought us to Canadian customs. They saw the whole thing but pulled our luggage and car apart anyway.

[DrCaleb]

bootlegga bootlegga:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Xort Xort:

Explain how trucks can get stuck on the High Level Bridge, one sign has flashing lights, one has one of those height bars you can hit. Yet it happens many times a year.

Clearly none of those truckers could have been surprised when they got stuck. They must have wanted to ruin their whole day, and damage their trucks.

It has nothing to do with the truck's height, it has to do with the length - and you know it! The bridge will accommodate a 30' truck and trailer at maximum height, but because the road has left turn and a steep uphill immediately after the bridge ends on the south side a 53' trailer will get stuck!

You sure about that DrC?

I've seen a couple semis stuck there in the past and from what I remember, it was because their trailer was too tall for the bridge.



I tried to find something on official restrictions, but couldn't find anything.

I recall that guy well, he also caused a major power outage when they tried to get that trailer under the wires at 109st and 111 ave.

Look at that picture. Halfway down the 53' trailer, it hit the bridge because where the tractor is the road rises where it was repaved a few inches. If the truck were a 5 ton, 20 foot trailer it would be the same height but would have cleared the bridge before the pavement rose.

That is the North end of the bridge too, where you go under it to take the right side across the bridge. If you stay left, a large truck can make it though to the south side, where the road rises faster than that. Nearly every week I hear on the traffic reports where some truck has o reverse across the entire bridge because they will not make it out the other side.

[DrCaleb]

bootlegga bootlegga:

I tried to find something on official restrictions, but couldn't find anything.

Official restrictions - don't open on a crappy computer!!

http://www.edmonton.ca/transportation/F ... hanges.pdf

[BartSimpson]

This would be so much easier if Canada would just annex the USA and make North America one country.

[Jabberwalker]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

This would be so much easier if Canada would just annex the USA and make North America one country.

... and pay all of those lazy u-no-wats to have babies and do nothing all day long? We'll have to napalm all of your trailer parks and ghettos, first.

[BartSimpson]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

This would be so much easier if Canada would just annex the USA and make North America one country.

... and pay all of those lazy u-no-wats to have babies and do nothing all day long? We'll have to napalm all of your trailer parks and ghettos, first.

Being Canadian, of course, you'd politely napalm our trailer parks and ghettoes!

[Vamp018]

Eh, leave the Southern Trailer Park Rednecks out of the Napalm. Canada does that they'll get there clock cleaned and Quebec will get a screwing like it never had lol.

[BartSimpson]

Vamp018 Vamp018:

Eh, leave the Southern Trailer Park Rednecks out of the Napalm. Canada does that they'll get there clock cleaned and Quebec will get a screwing like it never had lol.

All one need to do with the Quebeckers to tweak them is to make them speak English.

[Regina]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Border guards don't buy the "wrong turn" excuse ever....I think they hear it all day and it means nothing to them...in fact I think they think it's probably more likely you're a smuggler who just realized his shit isn't stashed properly.

My girlfriend and I were driving out west one time and she made a wrong turn at Thurnder Bay onto a one-way road leading to the US border, we doubled back first turn-around we came to but it brought us to Canadian customs. They saw the whole thing but pulled our luggage and car apart anyway.

That road goes to a one way as you pass the parking lot of Canada customs building, but when go another 100 yards you cross the river you're in the US. Problem was that you didn't turn West on 11-17................20 miles before that.
People don't make the turn and end up on hwy 61 all the time. They've nailed plenty of dumb drug runners who made the same mistake. Although they never crossed the river to the US they get the once over when they do the U-turn. Some pretty big signs around there too.
Google Earth Pigeon River border crossing to get the layout.