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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:41 pm
 


Title: LGBTQ advocates call for gender-neutral approach to blood donations
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Posted By: N_Fiddledog
Date: 2019-08-04 10:00:59
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:41 pm
 


remember that time we used a "gender neutral" model? all the people who got HIV and AIDs from the blood scandal remember.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 9:03 pm
 


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remember that time we used a "gender neutral" model? all the people who got HIV and AIDs from the blood scandal remember.

Fake news. Gender literally had nothing to do with the tainted blood scandal and there certainly wasn’t any “gender neutral model “ back then.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 9:07 pm
 


Not in name, correct. But what they want is the same as it was; gays can give almost immediately after sex, the whole purpose of the 3 month no donation period is so if you are infected with a BBP, it manifests. There is no stygmatisation of homosexuality here, it's literally in the Public's best interest to operate this way.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:07 am
 


What does “immediately after sex” have to with anything? The tainted blood scandal happened because the Canadian Red Cross bought blood and plasma from private for-profit suppliers in the shithole USA where they were allowed to collect blood and plasma from junkies and prison inmates and sell it for profit.

I’m actually indifferent to whether gays should be allowed to donate blood but let’s set the record straight the scandal had nothing to do with gays it was due to corporate greed and Americans for profit health system.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:22 am
 


My only thought is that of testing. Have they come up with a test accurate enough to show signs of Blood Contamination within a few days of exposure? If so then who gives a shit where the blood came from. If it can help save my life or someone else's life what do I or they care of the sexual orientation of the person who gave it. Kind of harkens back to the days of "Don't give me any Colored blood" or "... Negro Blood". If they can be assured the blood is not carrying a disease then really who gives a crap whom it came from.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:47 am
 


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My only thought is that of testing. Have they come up with a test accurate enough to show signs of Blood Contamination within a few days of exposure? If so then who gives a shit where the blood came from. If it can help save my life or someone else's life what do I or they care of the sexual orientation of the person who gave it. Kind of harkens back to the days of "Don't give me any Colored blood" or "... Negro Blood". If they can be assured the blood is not carrying a disease then really who gives a crap whom it came from.



Well said! Apparently they do have the tests even back then which is why the tainted blood scandal hasn’t happened again in the 40 or so years since. The problem is that before the tests just weren’t being done consistently by the red cross and 32,000 ppl were infected with HEP C or HIV/AIDS as a result.

An outcome of the scandal us that the Red Cross (a charity) no longer manages Canada’s blood supply and a new federal agency was created to do the job.


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What does “immediately after sex” have to with anything? The tainted blood scandal happened because the Canadian Red Cross bought blood and plasma from private for-profit suppliers in the shithole USA where they were allowed to collect blood and plasma from junkies and prison inmates and sell it for profit.

I’m actually indifferent to whether gays should be allowed to donate blood but let’s set the record straight the scandal had nothing to do with gays it was due to corporate greed and Americans for profit health system.

If you have sex with a partner that is infected with a BBP, the very method of how you have the sex makes you susceptible to also getting that BBP. Junkies are also not allowed to donate for this reason. Are we stigmatizing them too? Where did that American blood and plasma come from? Prisoners in high risk populations.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:29 am
 


stratos wrote:
My only thought is that of testing. Have they come up with a test accurate enough to show signs of Blood Contamination within a few days of exposure? If so then who gives a shit where the blood came from. If it can help save my life or someone else's life what do I or they care of the sexual orientation of the person who gave it. Kind of harkens back to the days of "Don't give me any Colored blood" or "... Negro Blood". If they can be assured the blood is not carrying a disease then really who gives a crap whom it came from.

I got bit at work a couple of years ago, and I had to go for 6 months of testing. I was lucky I got nothing. I don't think there is any tests that can detect a BBP right away.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:41 am
 


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I don't think there is any tests that can detect a BBP right away.


I don't know of any but then again I'm not up on all the new stuff in that field. Not even close to being up to date on many things.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:17 am
 


BeaverFever wrote:
What does “immediately after sex” have to with anything? The tainted blood scandal happened because the Canadian Red Cross bought blood and plasma from private for-profit suppliers in the shithole USA where they were allowed to collect blood and plasma from junkies and prison inmates and sell it for profit.

I’m actually indifferent to whether gays should be allowed to donate blood but let’s set the record straight the scandal had nothing to do with gays it was due to corporate greed and Americans for profit health system.


You're right. The tainted blood scandal had nothing to do with gays and everything to do with greed. But, it wasn't just "corporate greed" it was also the "greed shown by the State of Arkansas" that sold tainted blood acquired from their prison system to it's victims for large profits. This program had started in the 1960's and was turned into a political patronage program by then Governor Clinton for his friend and ally Leonard Dunn head of Health Management Associates when the State awarded the contract to extract and sell blood to this company.

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Dr. Francis “Bud” Henderson started HMA in the 1970s. As the company began to expand, he brought in a Little Rock banker named Leonard Dunn to run the firm. Dunn was a political ally and friend of the Clintons. He was appointed by Clinton to sit on the Arkansas Industrial Development Commission and served as finance chair of Clinton’s 1990 gubernatorial campaign. Later that same year, Dunn purchased the Madison Guaranty Savings and Loan (later to achieve great notoriety in the Whitewater Scandal) from Clinton’s business partner, James McDougal. Dunn later served as chief of staff to Arkansas’ Lt. Governor, Winthrop Rockefeller.


So blaming the gays for that one isn't accurate but blaming the Canadian Red Cross, the state of Arkansas and HMA is.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:34 pm
 


There are valid arguments against accepting blood donations from gays. There were these Jehova parents who's 15 yr old daughter was forced to have a transfusion and within a couple years she turned into a lesbian. Now they're trying to sue the Red Cross and the gov't but no lawyer will take their case!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:19 am
 


You can, however, get HIV and AIDs from infected blood. This is why HIV and AIDs spreads so easily through the LGBT, Sex Worker and Drug Community.

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/bbp/default.html


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:43 am
 


llama66 wrote:
BeaverFever wrote:
What does “immediately after sex” have to with anything? The tainted blood scandal happened because the Canadian Red Cross bought blood and plasma from private for-profit suppliers in the shithole USA where they were allowed to collect blood and plasma from junkies and prison inmates and sell it for profit.

I’m actually indifferent to whether gays should be allowed to donate blood but let’s set the record straight the scandal had nothing to do with gays it was due to corporate greed and Americans for profit health system.

If you have sex with a partner that is infected with a BBP, the very method of how you have the sex makes you susceptible to also getting that BBP. Junkies are also not allowed to donate for this reason. Are we stigmatizing them too? Where did that American blood and plasma come from? Prisoners in high risk populations.


Yeah but what does “immediately after sex” mean? AFAIK the amount of time after sex makes no difference. Should straight people who engage in anal sex also be banned? I guess the argument is being gay in and of itself doesn’t make one high risk.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:01 am
 


The 3 months is to allow any disease to manifest. It takes about that long for the infection to show. As I said earlier, when I got bit, I had to be monitored for 6 months.


Yes they should. It's not about being gay. These hacktivists are making it about being gay. If you shoot drugs, are a sex worker or engage in butt stuff you should be barred from donating blood for 3 to 6 months after your last thing.


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