[Newsbot]

Title: Police say illegal firearm used to kill three people in Montreal shooting spree
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: DrCaleb
Date: 2022-08-08 06:16:15
Canadian

[DrCaleb]

And the suspect was known to police.

So the obvious solution is to ban all handgun ownership from law abiding citizens.

[Strutz]

Not unlike the constant, almost daily shit that happens throughout the BC lower mainland these days. The gangs are going back and forth and the victims always come up as "known to police". I'm willing to bet that the firearms being used are not registered, nor are the ones using them.

[DrCaleb]

Strutz Strutz:

I'm willing to bet that the firearms being used are not registered, nor are the ones using them.

But we'll never know, because Police keep that information to themselves. Without that information, there is no way we can dispute their claims about illegal firearms.

This is another reason people don't trust them.

[Strutz]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Strutz Strutz:

I'm willing to bet that the firearms being used are not registered, nor are the ones using them.

But we'll never know, because Police keep that information to themselves. Without that information, there is no way we can dispute their claims about illegal firearms.

This is another reason people don't trust them.

We mainly don't know because it's rare that the shooter is actually caught. They peg off their victim(s) then are gone. Typically, a burned out vehicle is found sometime later, somewhere not too far away.

[DrCaleb]

Strutz Strutz:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Strutz Strutz:

I'm willing to bet that the firearms being used are not registered, nor are the ones using them.

But we'll never know, because Police keep that information to themselves. Without that information, there is no way we can dispute their claims about illegal firearms.

This is another reason people don't trust them.

We mainly don't know because it's rare that the shooter is actually caught. They peg off their victim(s) then are gone. Typically, a burned out vehicle is found sometime later, somewhere not too far away.

We never know, even when the weapon is found because the police never release that information. Their calls for gun control are then suspect because we can't know if it's legal or illegal weapons that cause the problems. It is very different solutions in either case, but police only ever call for action on the legal ones.

The gun that the Nova Scotia gunman used we know it was smuggled into Canada only because the inquiry into the shooting revealed that information.

[JaredMilne]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

We never know, even when the weapon is found because the police never release that information. Their calls for gun control are then suspect because we can't know if it's legal or illegal weapons that cause the problems. It is very different solutions in either case, but police only ever call for action on the legal ones.

The gun that the Nova Scotia gunman used we know it was smuggled into Canada only because the inquiry into the shooting revealed that information.

Is it good police practice to not release the make and model of the gun, as the Nova Scotia RCMP didn't do until the Commissioner forced them to? What's the exact reason for not divulging the make/model and legality of a given firearm? Wouldn't the RCMP or Statistics Canada keep track of those things?

[DrCaleb]

JaredMilne JaredMilne:

Is it good police practice to not release the make and model of the gun, as the Nova Scotia RCMP didn't do until the Commissioner forced them to?

That would be best practice, in every other kind of public safety context. But the RCMP Commissioner specifically told the PHBs that this information was not to be released.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/ ... a-inquiry/

JaredMilne JaredMilne:

What's the exact reason for not divulging the make/model and legality of a given firearm?

Nobody knows. The theory is that the RCMP wants to control the messaging around firearms, and handguns specifically.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gun-cr ... -1.4779702

JaredMilne JaredMilne:

Wouldn't the RCMP or Statistics Canada keep track of those things?

The RCMP only releases if it was a handgun or long gun. They never say what kind, if it was owned legally or was obtained illegally.

$1:

There is no legal requirement for police agencies to submit firearms for tracing. This creates a gap with municipal, provincial, and the RCMP fail to enter required information into police databases related to seized or found firearms. Significant effort, resources, training, and equipment will be required to close this gap.

Police support units, such as the National Weapons Enforcement Support Team, Canadian National Firearms Tracing Centre, Criminal Firearms Strategic and Operational Support Services, and the Specialized Firearms Support Services offer reactive services. They do not contribute to proactive enforcement investigation efforts to maintain and enhance public safety.

https://www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Commi ... tion-e.pdf

[raydan]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

JaredMilne JaredMilne:

What's the exact reason for not divulging the make/model and legality of a given firearm?

Nobody knows. The theory is that the RCMP wants to control the messaging around firearms, and handguns specifically.

Why should they release the make/model and legality of the firearm? Who would be interested in knowing that information, and why?

Just asking.

[DrCaleb]

raydan raydan:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

JaredMilne JaredMilne:

What's the exact reason for not divulging the make/model and legality of a given firearm?

Nobody knows. The theory is that the RCMP wants to control the messaging around firearms, and handguns specifically.

Why should they release the make/model and legality of the firearm? Who would be interested in knowing that information, and why?

Just asking.

Because then we can make informed decisions about gun control. If the majority of gun deaths are because of improper storage, then we need to fix that. If it's illegally imported guns, we need to fix that. If it's people making guns in their garage, and selling them to gangs, then we need to fix that.

Without proper data, we will not succeed in fixing the problem. If the RCMP, as some people suspect, have a bias towards all guns being removed from all people, then that may not fix the actual problem. And I resent the RCMP stepping outside their pervue to enforce their politics on the rest of us. I don't for a second believe that it's responsible gun owners who are responsible in any way for gun crime in Canada.