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Title: Prosecutors say accused Charleston church gunman �self-radicalized� online | Albuquerque Journal
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: andyt
Date: 2016-08-22 17:42:18

[DrCaleb]

Nonsense. We all know that you can't self radicalize. You must be indoctrinated into a religion that forces these beliefs on you.

[andyt]

This is white supremacy. It's different.

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The Southern Poverty Law Center said in a report earlier this year that the Internet is an ideal venue for “lone wolves” like Roof. “White supremacists are increasingly opting to operate mainly online, where the danger of public exposure and embarrassment is far lower, where younger people tend to gather, and where it requires virtually no effort or cost to join in the conversation,” the report stated.

[DrCaleb]

Sorry. I thought 'white' supremacy and 'brown' supremacy were similar in their methods. I'll make a note for future discussions.

[andyt]

Yep. As you can see from the report, white supremacists have lone wolves, something the brown ones don't.

[N_Fiddledog]

How many Dylan Roof's were there?

No matter how hard the Progressive media try to rag that bone, and for how long, I can only count one.

How many Allahu Akbar, Jihadi killers are there?

Perhaps some of those killers did meet Mohammed on the internet.

It doesn't matter where the spark comes from that helps spread the blaze though. Once it's part of a phenomena it needs to be identified and traced to it's source.

Even if you want to group McVeigh, Breivik and Roof together, fine, but they're still not this -



No amount of smug, high-fiving and chanting Roof's name is going to make it so.

Jihadis were mass murdering and spreading terror long before the internet. But sure, maybe it's a new tool. By all means, maybe we should look at that.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

andyt andyt:

Yep. As you can see from the report, white supremacists have lone wolves, something the brown ones don't.

And yet EVERY goddam islamist terror attack is still "a lone wolf", or they were "mentally ill", or they were "on drugs". Oh, unless it happens in the US, then the standard targets of blame are the NRA, Republicans, and law-abiding gun owners.
You can paint it anyway you want, the left doesn't come close to holding the moral high ground like it believes it does.

[DrCaleb]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

andyt andyt:

Yep. As you can see from the report, white supremacists have lone wolves, something the brown ones don't.

And yet EVERY goddam islamist terror attack is still "a lone wolf", or they were "mentally ill", or they were "on drugs". Oh, unless it happens in the US, then the standard targets of blame are the NRA, Republicans, and law-abiding gun owners.
You can paint it anyway you want, the left doesn't come close to holding the moral high ground like it believes it does.

And what about someone like Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, who was a known drug user, treated for mental illness, and was asked to leave his mosque because of his extremist views? Was he not a 'mentally ill' 'on drugs' 'lone wolf'? Or Martin Couture-Rouleau? Also self radicalized online, and described as a 'lone wolf'. How are they any different than a Justin Borque or Dylan Roof?

Pretending like they don't exist simply opens the door to more like them.

[BartSimpson]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

And what about someone like Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, who was a known drug user, treated for mental illness, and was asked to leave his mosque because of his extremist views? Was he not a 'mentally ill' 'on drugs' 'lone wolf'? Or Martin Couture-Rouleau? Also self radicalized online, and described as a 'lone wolf'. How are they any different than a Justin Borque or Dylan Roof?

Pretending like they don't exist simply opens the door to more like them.

Speaking of opening the door to more like them...

[N_Fiddledog]

In any case who's pretending the online radicalised don't exist?

I find the idea the internet can be used as an online tool by jihadis for corrupting weakened minds to cause to be something worth considering.

I'm even willing to listen to The Atlantic.

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It’s hard to organize a conspiracy involving communication and coordination among multiple people without getting caught, particularly if some of those people are overseas. It’s almost impossible to get precursor chemicals for sophisticated explosives. But it’s easy to plot in your own home, with your spouse, brother, or no one; and it’s easy to get a gun.

These dynamics have held steady in the United States for years. The urgent question now is whether ISIS, and in particular its much-touted mastery of social media, has appreciably changed the homegrown threat through some kind of superior ability to radicalize followers wherever they are based in the world. (The group does exhort Western supporters to travel to its self-proclaimed caliphate, but according to a recent study of ISIS sympathizers in the West, no one returning from such a journey has yet committed violence in the United States.)

But the causal relationship between individual radicalization and consumption of jihadist propaganda on the Internet is not straightforward. The process by which a person grows radical involves a complex mix of variables; in many cases, an individual may become more extremist offline, for example through the influence of friends or relatives, and then find ISIS online by virtue of its being the most accessible jihadist community to join. Or these processes could happen simultaneously.

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Another pattern revealed by previous research may yet hold true in the ISIS era. Reviewing al-Qaeda’s Internet-recruitment efforts in a 2011 paper, Brian Michael Jenkins of the Rand Corporation wrote that “many of the terrorists identified in this paper began their journey on the Internet. However, al-Qaeda has not yet managed to inspire many of its online followers to action. In the United States, its virtual army, with a few exceptions, has remained virtual.”

So what has changed? The content of the message and the venue where it’s delivered, primarily.

“Self-radicalization is not new, and in fact represents the norm that we have dealt with,” Jenkins told me. “What is new is that the very effective use of social media by ISIL, ISIS, whatever you choose to call it, has enabled them to reach a larger audience, a younger audience,” due in part to the “content of the communications, the vehicle of the communications.” To wit: The crowd attracted to the kind of brutality porn for which ISIS is famous is a very particular, self-selecting one. And Twitter, where according to the GW report “American ISIS sympathizers are particularly active,” may reach a younger audience.

Still, Charlie Winter, a senior research associate at the Transcultural Conflict and Violence Initiative at Georgia State University, said radicalization does not occur “in a bubble”—passive consumption of propaganda is not enough to transform an ordinary person into a murderer. It’s not the case, he said, “that individuals can find themselves on inevitable trajectories toward extremism if they go to the right place on the Internet and start hanging out with the wrong crowd. It’s nowhere near as simple as that.”

Online and off, before ISIS and since, the process has a lot to do with relationships, and ISIS’s social-media savvy can obscure the continuing importance of real-world connections in the radicalization process. Europe, for example, is a far more fertile recruiting ground for ISIS than the U.S. is, in part due to the stronger presence of in-person extremist networks there. “I think certainly in terms of logistics, there’s a kind of different recruitment landscape ... in North America than in Europe,” Winter said, “but I think that regardless of whether they’re operating online or offline, these networks act in a similar way and they’re offering similar things,” such as a sense of belonging or commitment to a cause...

http://www.theatlantic.com/internationa ... on/419148/

However...with Jihadis we're still talking about a specific ideological motivated doctrine corrupting or assisting in the corruption of a specific mass of dysfunctionals for a specific purpose.

Dyan Roof was not a jihadi. And if you are suggesting he was ideologically linked to Justin Bourque, how so?

[BartSimpson]

Dylan Roof was an autistic. Just like the shitstain who did the Aurora, Colorado massacre and the shitstain who killed the kids at Sandy Hook.

And just like Ted Kazcynski (the Unabomber) whose manifesto sounded remarkably like something my sociopathic, autistic brother-in-law would write.

Hate to say, but there's an argument for prohibiting these people from owning firearms.

[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

And what about someone like Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, who was a known drug user, treated for mental illness, and was asked to leave his mosque because of his extremist views? Was he not a 'mentally ill' 'on drugs' 'lone wolf'? Or Martin Couture-Rouleau? Also self radicalized online, and described as a 'lone wolf'. How are they any different than a Justin Borque or Dylan Roof?

Pretending like they don't exist simply opens the door to more like them.

Speaking of opening the door to more like them...

When did I open that door? When have I advocated for anything other that educated, peaceful families as refugees?

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Hate to say, but there's an argument for prohibiting these people from owning firearms.

Now, that I've been saying for years.

[BartSimpson]

I wasn't saying YOU opened the door just pointing out that a bunch more of the freaks have been let in.

[BartSimpson]

Now I have to wonder where this guy got radicalized?

http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/06/profe ... stigation/

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A professor from an Ohio community college is being investigated for online threats he made to shoot up the NRA headquarters and ensure “there are no survivors.”

James Pearce, an adjunct professor at Southern State Community College, wrote the threatening Facebook posting in June, reports Campus Reform.

Pearce wrote that the NRA headquarters in Fairfax, Va., and other remote sites including Washington lobbyists should be targeted.

“Look, there’s only one solution. A bunch of us anti-gun types are going to have to arm ourselves, storm the NRA headquarters in Fairfax, VA, and make sure there are no survivors,” James Pearce wrote in a Facebook post on June 13.

“This action might also require coordinated hits at remote sites, like Washington lobbyists. Then and only then will we see some legislative action on assault weapons. Have a nice day,” Pearce wrote. He ended the post with a smiling face emoji.

Kris Cross, director of Public Relations for SSCC, did not respond to a request for comment by The Daily Caller.

But Cross told Campus Reform that “it is the college’s policy not to comment on individual personnel matters.” She did indicate, however, “any criminal prosecution and findings could be a consideration for employment decisions in any matter of criminal conduct.”

In mid-June, the online comments were reported to local law enforcement and the college. The information was then sent to the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security, reported the Highland County Press.

[stratos]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Now I have to wonder where this guy got radicalized?

http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/06/profe ... stigation/

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A professor from an Ohio community college is being investigated for online threats he made to shoot up the NRA headquarters and ensure “there are no survivors.”

James Pearce, an adjunct professor at Southern State Community College, wrote the threatening Facebook posting in June, reports Campus Reform.

Pearce wrote that the NRA headquarters in Fairfax, Va., and other remote sites including Washington lobbyists should be targeted.

“Look, there’s only one solution. A bunch of us anti-gun types are going to have to arm ourselves, storm the NRA headquarters in Fairfax, VA, and make sure there are no survivors,” James Pearce wrote in a Facebook post on June 13.

“This action might also require coordinated hits at remote sites, like Washington lobbyists. Then and only then will we see some legislative action on assault weapons. Have a nice day,” Pearce wrote. He ended the post with a smiling face emoji.

Kris Cross, director of Public Relations for SSCC, did not respond to a request for comment by The Daily Caller.

But Cross told Campus Reform that “it is the college’s policy not to comment on individual personnel matters.” She did indicate, however, “any criminal prosecution and findings could be a consideration for employment decisions in any matter of criminal conduct.”

In mid-June, the online comments were reported to local law enforcement and the college. The information was then sent to the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security, reported the Highland County Press.

I wonder if he is a liberal arts prof. Seems he may have been radicalized back during his days at collage.