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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:46 pm
 


Title: Turkish police move to stop Greece pushing migrants back
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Posted By: N_Fiddledog
Date: 2020-03-06 00:16:12


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:46 pm
 


My personal favorite YouTuber has something to say about all this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abcc0NJ5hcE



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 4:44 pm
 


Greek villagers enlisted to catch migrants at Turkey border


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AMORIO, Greece (AP) — Over the years, villagers who live near Greece’s border with Turkey got used to seeing small groups of people enter their country illegally. The Greek residents often offered the just-arrived newcomers a bite to eat and directed them to the nearest police or railway station.

But the warm welcomes wore off. When Turkey started channeling thousands of people to Greece, insisting that its ancient regional rival and NATO ally receive them as refugees, the Greek government sealed the border and rushed police and military reinforcements to help hold back the flood.

Greeks in the border region rallied behind the expanding border force, collecting provisions and offering any possible contribution to what is seen as a national effort to stop a Turkish-spurred incursion.

In several cases, authorities asked villagers familiar with the local terrain to help locate migrants who managed to slip through holes cut in a border fence or to cross the River Evros — Meric in Turkish — that demarcates most of the 212-kilometer (132-mile) border.

“We were born here, we live here, we work here, we know the crossings better than anyone,” Panayiotis Ageladarakis, a community leader in Amorio, a village that lies some 300 meters (yards) from the river banks.

Other villages also responded to the call for volunteer trackers. Small groups of unarmed men monitor known crossing points after dark.

“We sit at the crossings, and they come,” Ageladarakis told The Associated Press as he drove a pickup truck with a fellow Greek border village resident along a rough track at night. “We keep them there most of the time, call police and they come and arrest them. Then, it’s a matter for the police. We aren’t interested in where they take them. We just try to help this effort taking place by the army and the police.”

Help for the border units also came from Evros businesses and store owners. Nikos Georgiadis, head of the local restaurant owners’ association, said his colleagues delivered food and water to units stationed at four points on the border.

“They also asked us for masks and gloves, and we’ll try to find some,” he said.

Ageladarakis said all the migrants he encountered over the past few days were cooperative.

“These people are frightened. Nobody has caused any trouble,” he said.

But the village community leader said that in his view, the people he encountered did not look like they were fleeing wars in their own countries.

“There’s nobody coming from a war,” he said. “None of them are refugees. They’re all illegal migrants and that’s why they’re trying to get into Europe (this way).”

Greek authorities said that out of a the 252 people arrested for illegal entry over the past week as of Friday, 64% were Afghans, 19% Pakistanis, 5% Turks and 4% Syrians, while the others were from Iraq, Iran, Morocco, Ethiopia, Bangladesh and Egypt.


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No description of this crisis is complete without mentioning Assad and Putin. They’ve been creating Syrian refugees for years.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:12 pm
 


Perhaps, but if you watch the first video you'll discover these "refugees" migrants are not all Syrians. They're not even mostly Syrians.

Actually they discover the same thing late in the second video as well.


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N_Fiddledog wrote:
Perhaps, but if you watch the first video you'll discover these "refugees" are not all Syrians. They're not even mostly Syrians.


No perhaps about it. They’re still driving people out of Syria. Putin should be taking some of those people himself. More than a million Syrian migrants have already arrived in Europe. In any particular sample at the border there can be lots of others and I have seen many reports of West Africans and Pakistanis in Greece. From Libya there are also huge numbers of West Africans. However, Erdoğan took a hammering in recent local elections because of approximately one million Syrians in the city of Istanbul alone, his home base. That’s one of the powerful drivers behind this change in policy.


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I don't think the Turks are being shy about why they've broken their agreement not to open their border into Europe, (the agreement they've received hundreds of billions for).

Turkey is not happy with the EU opposing the Turkish invasion of Northern Syria.

We should kick Turkey out of NATO. I don't care if they have a useful location.


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BTW Iran is also helping Assad in Syria. Perhaps more so than Russia. You forgot to mention that. :wink:


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EU tells Turkey's President Erdogan to pull migrants back from Greek border if he wants support over the war in Syria

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Erdogan has been seeking support for his intervention in the Syrian civil war, which has been criticised by the EU.

As he arrived in Brussels today, Erdogan declared he expected 'concrete support' from all allies, including Greece, in the Syrian civil war.


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N_Fiddledog wrote:
BTW Iran is also helping Assad in Syria. Perhaps more so than Russia. You forgot to mention that. :wink:


Assad’s alliance with Iran and his family’s ancient hostility to Israel are hardly news to anybody. The Iranian forces (like the Saudis and Gulf Arabs in Yemen, they prefer to recruit foreign forces to do their fighting - Afghans and Pakistanis whom they despise, plus their friends from Lebanon) were vital holding the line and in keeping Assad in power early on in the civil war but Putin was the key factor in establishing air dominance and extending Assad’s territory, terrorizing the Syrian population. Bombing hospitals and schools is Assad and Putin’s specialty. Iran is not a big factor in the bombing campaign - it simply does’t have the technology. One problem about Iran is that it’s close to Russia but Israel has quite a good, if covert, relationship with Russia too. The fundamental mismatch is that Syria is a Sunni majority country. Iran may have some legit influence in Iraq but not in Syria. It’s involvement there will turn out be an expensive mistake in my view. Erdoğan is a pompous twit who deserves harsher treatment by Europe, but Assad is far worse, steeped in the blood of his people. I look forward to reading his obituary.


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So if I understand you correctly Russian air support is responsible for some of the Syrian "refugees" being in Turkey and some of those "refugees' are among the horde Erdogan tried to push across into Greece to get the EU to shut up about his invasion of Northern Syria.

Very well, could be.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:12 am
 


But if you want to insist on talking the war in Syria, this is interesting:

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The Islamic Republic of Iran and the Syrian Arab Republic are close strategic allies, and Iran has provided significant support for the Syrian Government in the Syrian Civil War, including logistical, technical and financial support, as well as training and some combat troops. Iran sees the survival of the Syrian government as being crucial to its regional interests.[32][33] The Supreme Leader of Iran, Ali Khamenei, was reported in September 2011 to be vocally in favor of the Syrian government.[34] When the uprising developed into the Syrian Civil War, there were increasing reports of Iranian military support, and of Iranian training of NDF (National Defence Forces) both in Syria and Iran.[35]

Lebanese Hezbollah fighters backed by Iran's government have taken direct combat roles since 2012.[33][39] In the summer of 2013, Iran and Hezbollah provided important battlefield support for Assad, allowing it to make advances on the opposition.[39]

From January 2013 onward, the Iranian military, primarily the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps has, lost more than 2,300 soldiers in Syria. Many of the deaths have been officers, including several high-ranking officers, notably generals.[45] Thousands of Iranian-backed militiamen consisting of ethnic Afghan and Pakistani immigrants inside Iran have also been killed. They joined IRGC-sponsored paramilitary organizations in exchange for salaries ($500 a month for new recruits) and residency papers, in an arrangement similar to a Foreign Legion. The Afghans are recruited largely from Hazara refugees inside Iran, and sometimes had combat experience before joining; their relation to the Iranian military is only vaguely acknowledged and sometimes denied, despite the troops being uniformed fighters led by IRGC officers, trained and equipped in Iran, with state funerals involving uniformed IRGC personnel.[46] Among the dead are 2,000+ Afghans[29] and at least 160 Pakistanis.[47][48] Officially, the Afghan paramilitaries are part of the independent Liwa Fatemiyoun group, while the Pakistanis are part of the Liwa Zainebiyoun group.


And this last little bit is worth singling out if the idea of 'death from the air' is our priority of worry, because apparently the Syrian air force alone isn't enough to scare the local Syrian population. Or at least that seems to be the proposal.

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Iranian troops and allied militias on the ground are supported by ballistic missile and air forces, including armed drones utilizing smart munitions. By October 2018, Iranian drones had launched over 700 strikes on ISIL forces alone.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_i ... _Civil_War

Also let's remember only about 10% of Syria is Shia when we consider how kind the Shia armies of Iran and its proxies would feel required to be towards the Syrian population.


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N_Fiddledog wrote:
But if you want to insist on talking the war in Syria, this is interesting:
Also let's remember only about 10% of Syria is Shia when we consider how kind the Shia armies of Iran and its proxies would feel required to be towards the Syrian population.


Iran has absolutely no business being in Syria and has certainly added to the problem of Syrian refugees in Turkey and Europe. Nobody disputes that. However, Iran is very much a junior member of the team. Did Erdogan travel to Damascus or Tehran to sort out his problems in Idlib? To adapt an old saying, the proof of the power of Putin lies in the movements of Erdogan.

https://ahvalnews.com/turkey-russia/erd ... pty-handed

The other thing is that, unlike Iran, Putin is still not a pariah in the West. His close allies have direct access to Boris Johnson and lobby political parties in Britain. Assad’s in-laws still live in Britain for crying out loud. His father in-law Fawas Akhras is a bigwig in the British Syrian Society:

https://www.britishsyriansociety.org/directors

And is not just a regular cardiologist either:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/ ... intcmp=239


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:30 pm
 


Sunnyways wrote:
Iran has absolutely no business being in Syria and has certainly added to the problem of Syrian refugees in Turkey and Europe. Nobody disputes that. However, Iran is very much a junior member of the team.


Really? Like a JV Team? Where have I heard that before?


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