[Freakinoldguy]

llama66 llama66:

Just give everyone a free bucket when they go to Venice.

Didn't they build a giant flood gate to prevent this very thing?

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This was the MOSE control center: the operational heart of a megaproject to protect Venice, one of the world’s most beautiful cities, from threatening waters. For nearly seven years, the engineers here have raised and lowered virtual doors, gathering a series of data to be conveyed into a sophisticated forecasting model.

Spread across dozens of islands and known as “the floating city” for its ubiquitous canals and bridges, Venice has grappled with inundation for centuries. But due to natural subsidence and the higher tides caused by global warming, the city is more vulnerable to flooding than ever before. So a flood barrier seemed like the obvious way to thwart future disasters.

Oh and for the record this flooding isn't about climate change it's about the usual. Italian politics, Italian corruption and likely the Mafia.

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MOSE (an acronym for Modulo Sperimentale Elettromeccanico, or “Experimental Electromechanical Module”) is one of the world’s largest and highest-profile civil-engineering works. It consists of a series of retractable floodgates stretching across the mouths of the lagoon’s three inlets. These gates can be raised on command to create a temporary wall against the sea in the event of a high tide.

Work on MOSE began in 2003, but after countless delays (caused by a corruption scandal and financial and structural issues), the barrier has yet to be completed. The hard part is done, however, and most of the engineers at the control center were confident that the system will become fully operational soon. Since the final leg of construction has been stalled for months, though, no one could say exactly when. Some said later this year; others said 2020 was closer to reality.

https://www.citylab.com/environment/201 ... ce/556226/

So, it's quite apparent that they've been expecting something like this to happen but they just couldn't clean up their own act and get it built in time to prevent the current flooding because Italy is Italy. Besides "climate change and or the tides" is a great excuse for the corrupt politicians, the sleazy builders and their overlords in the mafia to use to ensure that the public doesn't really clue into how badly they've been duped.

Kind of like our carbon tax.

[N_Fiddledog]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Try insuring an oceanfront property.

Well...we could ask Al Gore to tell us how he does it.

(Get your cultural marxists at Snopes to help you with that one Doctor Data. )

[DrCaleb]

stratos stratos:

Now if they start getting surges around 6 feet more then just this once then the global warming crowd can speak up more. If we go another 30 years before it happens again then they can't.

How about now?

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The high tide peaked at 1.54 metres above sea level just before noon on Friday, flooding most of the historic centre.

Venice flooded again 3 days after near-record high tide

[stratos]

4.5 feet not a surge but a high tied. Just to question but could the tides be getting higher because Venice is getting lower do to it's sinking?

[DrCaleb]

stratos stratos:

4.5 feet not a surge but a high tied. Just to question but could the tides be getting higher because Venice is getting lower do to it's sinking?

Almost certainly. But it's a see-saw. Water rises, ground sinks, more water makes the ground sink . . .

And the same thing is seen in many places globally, to varying degrees.

Edit: and 154cm puts it near the top of the all time high tides list I posted yesterday. Definitely not a normal event.

[BartSimpson]

stratos stratos:

4.5 feet not a surge but a high tied. Just to question but could the tides be getting higher because Venice is getting lower do to it's sinking?

There is no mystery in this event.

https://lavenessiana.com/venice-and-the ... cqua-alta/

[raydan]

Temporary problem... in a couple of billion years, all that water will be boiled off from the face of the Earth.

[BartSimpson]

raydan raydan:

Temporary problem... in a couple of billion years, all that water will be boiled off from the face of the Earth.

Yup. True.

[N_Fiddledog]

There seems to be some confusion amongst the 'only they are the science' people on this thread about the scientific facts below.

Venice Menace: Famed City is Sinking & Tilting

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Sea-level rise [7 inches per century. Yawn...] isn't the only thing that has Venice's famous canals rising ever-so-slightly every year: The city is also sinking, a new study shows, in contrast to previous studies that suggested the city's subsidence had stabilized.

The study's findings also showed that the Italian city is slowly tilting slightly to the east, something scientists had never noticed before.

Venice's subsidence was recognized as a major issue decades ago, when scientists realized that pumping groundwater from beneath the city, combined with the ground's compaction from centuries of building, was causing the city to settle. But officials put a stop to the groundwater pumping, and subsequent studies in the 2000s indicated that the subsidence had stopped, said lead author of the new study, Yehuda Bock, a research geodesist with Scripps Institution of Oceanography at the University of California, San Diego, in La Jolla, Calif.

But the new study, detailed in the March 28 issue of the journal Geochemistry, Geophysics, Geosystems, used a combination of measurement techniques that provided data on both the absolute and relative shifts in elevation of the area, along with GPS measurements and space-borne radar (InSAR) data,

Still sinking

https://www.livescience.com/19195-venic ... lowly.html

[PluggyRug]

[raydan]

Karma...

Italian council is flooded immediately after rejecting measures on climate change

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Veneto regional council, which is located on Venice's Grand Canal, was flooded for the first time in its history on Tuesday night -- just after it rejected measures to combat climate change.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/14/euro ... cAy1Y6o33k

[N_Fiddledog]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

raydan raydan:

Temporary problem... in a couple of billion years, all that water will be boiled off from the face of the Earth.

Yup. True.

Really? So you mean after 200 years when nothing that bad has happened from what we're calling 'climate change,' this week, the gullibles will be all all worked up to " OMG the universe is boiling. Quick all money and power to the UN (or whatever's replaced it.)"

Oh and I'm still waiting to hear how global warming affects the gravitational pull of moon and therefore the tides. Was it the 3 to 7 inches of sea level rise we had last century?

[DrCaleb]

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Venice's Tide Office said the peak tide of 1.5 metres hit just after 1 p.m. local time but a weather front off the coast blocked southerly winds from the Adriatic Sea from pushing the tide to the predicted level of 1.6 metres. By early evening, the level was less than a meter.

Still it marked the third time since Tuesday night's 1.87-metre flood — the worst in 53 years — that water levels in Venice had topped 1.5 metres. Since records began in 1872, that level had never been reached even twice in one year, let alone three times in one week.

Flooded Venice records 3rd exceptional tide as other parts of Italy hit with rain, snow

[N_Fiddledog]

And neither tide nor weather had anything to do with global warming.

[Martin15]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

And neither tide nor weather had anything to do with global warming.

Same moon phase
Same tidal scheduling
Same winds blowing South to North

What would be surprising is the tide levels suddenly dropping.


Of course, now another coastal city like Florence is being threatened by the rising tide water of the oceans. Because 3 weeks of rain has put the ocean right up to the Duomo.
/sarcasm