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ridenrain
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Posts: 22594
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 8:28 am
(A Liberal candidate who knows when to leave a sinking ship  )
$1: Liberal candidate "ashamed" of her party's ads
Nathan Anderson Airdrie City View
In front of a group of middle schoolers, Wild Rose Liberal candidate Judy Stewart officially let her own party have it, Jan. 11.
Stewart denounced Liberal Party campaign advertisements released the previous day, advertisements intended to vilify Conservative Party leader Stephen Harper.
"I'm not wearing red," Stewart told the students of Ralph McCall Middle School, "I'm not wearing my colours this one day of the campaign because I'm ashamed of these negative attack ads."
Earlier in the day Stewart lodged a complaint with the Liberal Party's Edmonton office over the ads.
While few of the children in attendance at the school event had seen the ads, Stewart's announcement drew an ovation in the middle of her opening statement.
Stewart said after the event that her party's decision to run attack ads doesn't make any sense.
"We have a very good national policy, why we should even care about what Stephen Harper would do is beyond me... I want to talk about out policies and the things we can do," said Stewart.
"It's not just the Liberals. The NDP launched an ad before Christmas that was senseless garbage. Then the Conservatives had one that made Paul Martin look like some sort of outlaw... What kind of messages are we teaching to our children," she said.
Wild Rose incumbent Member of Parliament Myron Thompson says the ads spell the beginning of the end for the down-in-the polls Liberals.
"I think having to resort to that level of campaigning means they are on a down hill slide. These ads will keep it going that way," he said.
The ads begin with a an unflattering close up photo of Harper, out of focus, and a military drum beat. They accuse Harper of everything from planning to put armed soldiers on Canadian streets, to being a puppet of the United States. Each ad ends with catchline "Choose your Canada" above some small print placed above Harper's upper lip, resembling an Adolf Hitler mustache. NDP candidate Shannon Nelles tends to agree with Thompson, saying that Stewart lambasting her own party's ads isn't a surprise.
"This is the only way for a Liberal to handle the situation they put themselves in. Admitting the problem is the first step," she said. Green Party candidate Sean Maw, a friend of Stewart, says her statement is the right way to handle the situation.
"Good for her - it shows she has integrity to stand up to her own party. When a party has been in power as long as the Liberals it is only human nature to become complacent and sloppy. It's inevitable. But she and candidates like her are the future of that party," he said.
"As for the ads, they are disgusting. They are an embarrassment to the system. Catering to fear and ignorance - the Liberals used to be better than that." Here, but not on line yet
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 8:56 am
$1: Catering to fear and ignorance - the Liberals used to be better than that.
The lefties used to be the optimists and they traded on the hope and promise that their policies would make things better.
In fairness, some leftist polices have made things better.
But they no longer are the optimists. Be it Canada, the USA, or wherever the left is on the defensive and instead of promoting how their policies will make life better, they trade on the concept that conservative/right policies will make things worse.
It is the conservatives to whom the torch of optimism has been passed and it is the conservatives who collectively trade on the hope and promise that their policies will make things better.
My advice to Liberals and liberals is to stay on message and advance why their polices will make things better.
Running on the premise that your opponent is worse than you are instead of that you are better than he is isn't a recipe for long term political success.
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torian
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Posts: 260
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:06 am
Avro Avro: BartSimpson BartSimpson: $1: Catering to fear and ignorance - the Liberals used to be better than that. The lefties used to be the optimists and they traded on the hope and promise that their policies would make things better. In fairness, some leftist polices have made things better. But they no longer are the optimists. Be it Canada, the USA, or wherever the left is on the defensive and instead of promoting how their policies will make life better, they trade on the concept that conservative/right policies will make things worse. It is the conservatives to whom the torch of optimism has been passed and it is the conservatives who collectively trade on the hope and promise that their policies will make things better. My advice to Liberals and liberals is to stay on message and advance why their polices will make things better. Running on the premise that your opponent is worse than you are instead of that you are better than he is isn't a recipe for long term political success. Get a grip, if this were true Cons would never ever run attack adds and they were the first ones to do so in this election. There are two reasons the Cons will win this election, Liberal scandals and a policy shift from the extreme right to the center. You can dream all you want of Canada becoming a Republican state but that just isn't going to happen Bort......sorry.
actually, i think itwas the NDP who released the first "attack ad" with the boot.
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:06 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson: $1: Catering to fear and ignorance - the Liberals used to be better than that. The lefties used to be the optimists and they traded on the hope and promise that their policies would make things better. In fairness, some leftist polices have made things better. But they no longer are the optimists. Be it Canada, the USA, or wherever the left is on the defensive and instead of promoting how their policies will make life better, they trade on the concept that conservative/right policies will make things worse. It is the conservatives to whom the torch of optimism has been passed and it is the conservatives who collectively trade on the hope and promise that their policies will make things better. My advice to Liberals and liberals is to stay on message and advance why their polices will make things better. Running on the premise that your opponent is worse than you are instead of that you are better than he is isn't a recipe for long term political success.
1) liberals are far more openminded and tolerant then conservatives will ever be. Its because of liberal minded people that society is no longer vilifiying lifestyles deemed "not Xtrian". There are a large number of TV shows alone that have almost all been denounced by conservative values as going to far in "promoting" alternate lifestyles.
2) Liberals saved Canada from bankruptcy. In the US it may be conservatives who lower taxes and reduce spending but up here it is the opposite.
3) As an ardent left winger I am always the optomist when Canada is concerned. I believe in our healthcare and am appalled at the people who consider it "in crisis" when it could not be further from the truth. I believe that we are not a country that has failed, as some think (seperatists) we have in confederation. I believe that we are on the right track as far as social progress is concerened. I believe in Canada.
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:15 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson: The lefties used to be the optimists and they traded on the hope and promise that their policies would make things better.
In fairness, some leftist polices have made things better.
But they no longer are the optimists. Be it Canada, the USA, or wherever the left is on the defensive and instead of promoting how their policies will make life better, they trade on the concept that conservative/right policies will make things worse.
It is the conservatives to whom the torch of optimism has been passed and it is the conservatives who collectively trade on the hope and promise that their policies will make things better.
My advice to Liberals and liberals is to stay on message and advance why their polices will make things better.
Running on the premise that your opponent is worse than you are instead of that you are better than he is isn't a recipe for long term political success.
To say the conservatives don't do such a thing is ridiculous. Harper runed a negative elections last time about, and it didnt pay off. Now he is running his campaign how it should be, on his own campaign platform, and not on the other parties.
In Canada, clean politics, none negative politics pay off in the long run.
Don't make this our as Right wing version left wing, because that isnt the case.
Its about negative versus positive.
And, as much as I dislike the Liberals, the country is in the superbe position it is now, because of the Liberals. We are the envy of the G8, and to say otherwise, is pure ignorance. Economicly and Socialy this country is on a great road.
Politicly and Culture wise, this country is in crisis.
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:15 am
torian torian: Avro Avro: BartSimpson BartSimpson: $1: Catering to fear and ignorance - the Liberals used to be better than that. The lefties used to be the optimists and they traded on the hope and promise that their policies would make things better. In fairness, some leftist polices have made things better. But they no longer are the optimists. Be it Canada, the USA, or wherever the left is on the defensive and instead of promoting how their policies will make life better, they trade on the concept that conservative/right policies will make things worse. It is the conservatives to whom the torch of optimism has been passed and it is the conservatives who collectively trade on the hope and promise that their policies will make things better. My advice to Liberals and liberals is to stay on message and advance why their polices will make things better. Running on the premise that your opponent is worse than you are instead of that you are better than he is isn't a recipe for long term political success. Get a grip, if this were true Cons would never ever run attack adds and they were the first ones to do so in this election. There are two reasons the Cons will win this election, Liberal scandals and a policy shift from the extreme right to the center. You can dream all you want of Canada becoming a Republican state but that just isn't going to happen Bort......sorry. actually, i think itwas the NDP who released the first "attack ad" with the boot.
That was an attack ad?!? Well if it was it pales in comparison to the vile, meanspirited rubbish that both the Libs and your beloved Conservatives have been serving Canadian voters over the last little while.
Try not to drag the NDP into your gutter until it's warranted. 
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torian
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Posts: 260
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:30 am
Streaker Streaker: torian torian: Avro Avro: BartSimpson BartSimpson: $1: Catering to fear and ignorance - the Liberals used to be better than that. The lefties used to be the optimists and they traded on the hope and promise that their policies would make things better. In fairness, some leftist polices have made things better. But they no longer are the optimists. Be it Canada, the USA, or wherever the left is on the defensive and instead of promoting how their policies will make life better, they trade on the concept that conservative/right policies will make things worse. It is the conservatives to whom the torch of optimism has been passed and it is the conservatives who collectively trade on the hope and promise that their policies will make things better. My advice to Liberals and liberals is to stay on message and advance why their polices will make things better. Running on the premise that your opponent is worse than you are instead of that you are better than he is isn't a recipe for long term political success. Get a grip, if this were true Cons would never ever run attack adds and they were the first ones to do so in this election. There are two reasons the Cons will win this election, Liberal scandals and a policy shift from the extreme right to the center. You can dream all you want of Canada becoming a Republican state but that just isn't going to happen Bort......sorry. actually, i think itwas the NDP who released the first "attack ad" with the boot. That was an attack ad?!? Well if it was it pales in comparison to the vile, meanspirited rubbish that both the Libs and your beloved Conservatives have been serving Canadian voters over the last little while. Try not to drag the NDP into your gutter until it's warranted. 
well, in terms defining "attack ad" as an ad that focusses why you should NOT vote for someone instead of why a voter should vote FOR someone, it was the first "attack ad"
I agree there are VAST differences in negativity between the boot ad and the military ad. The boot was funny, the military ad sick.
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Posts: 12283
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:39 am
$1: well, in terms defining "attack ad" as an ad that focusses why you should NOT vote for someone instead of why a voter should vote FOR someone, it was the first "attack ad"
I agree there are VAST differences in negativity between the boot ad and the military ad. The boot was funny, the military ad sick.
OK, fair enough. And I'll agree that the military ad was especially pathetic.
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Pissed
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:57 am
Who wouldn't be offended by those adds.
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